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Article: Playing Flush Draws with Suited Connectors Out of Position

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  1. dmschec dmschec is offline

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    Jan 25th, 2009 (1/25/2009 5:36am)

     
  2. s1nnr s1nnr is offline will stab you

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    Jan 25th, 2009 (1/25/2009 6:59am) in reply to dmschec

    <p>the only thing i dont get is, if we lead out the turn, what to do on the river if we get flatted, and also what to do if we get raised on the turn?</p>
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    Jan 25th, 2009 (1/25/2009 7:08am) in reply to dmschec

    <p>i like the thought process good article</p>
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    Jan 25th, 2009 (1/25/2009 8:08am) in reply to dmschec

    <p>I also liked the article.  And s1nnr..the last line of the article..if we miss river..its ch/f if we get raised on turn..fold.</p>
    <p>glgl all</p>
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    Jan 25th, 2009 (1/25/2009 8:26am) in reply to dmschec

    <p>fold or 3bet pre imo. just woke up though too tired to read the whole article</p>
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    Jan 25th, 2009 (1/25/2009 10:02am) in reply to dmschec

    <p>I like the lead  on the turn.</p>
    <p>How often do you think he will check behind on the turn?</p>
    <p>At the levels I play (micro), check raise on the turn or if the turn checks checks, I lead the river and I take that pot down most of the tiem.   But I understand against a thinking player that line makes no sence and you get called by any pair.</p>
    <p>Nice article.  </p>
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    Jan 25th, 2009 (1/25/2009 10:58am) in reply to dmschec

    <p>very good articel/thinking process</p>
    <p> i like the lead out on the turn,which could look like a set or two pair, not like a fl draw...and you are right a singel A probably won´t reraise on the turn...</p>
    <p>but one thing i recommend to think about it is aslo to lead out with your monsters on the flop since most players think we wouln´t lead out with our good hands, so you often get a reraise from a singel A or a complete bluff...</p>
     
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    Jan 25th, 2009 (1/25/2009 11:32am) in reply to dmschec

    <p>dschec imo</p>
     
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    Jan 25th, 2009 (1/25/2009 11:56am) in reply to dmschec

    <p>The lead on the turn is iffy in my opinion.......Many good thinking players will see this as a blocking bet trying to draw for cheap. I like folding pre or 3-betting preflop. </p>
     
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    Jan 25th, 2009 (1/25/2009 1:28pm) in reply to dmschec

    <p>I think flatting 1200 and playing this hand OOP to not only the c/o but the BB if he decides to call (with odds of 5-1 in mid position is more than likely) is just awful. Fold preflop or 3-bet to 3.8k ish. BBs calling range will much tighter and will fold 75% of his range to your 3bet, as well as the thinking c/o who folds 75% of the range you've assigned. He only has to fold roughly every other time to make this play profitable. If he pushes, you can easily get away from your hand without any real damage.</p>
    <p>You're sitting comfortable with an M of 18, there really isn't much of a reason to flat and play a big pot out of position at this point in the tournament against a tough player as you stated, whose stack is close enough to ours to bust us, and possibly even the big blind. Try to take it down preflop or dish it imo. </p>
     
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    Jan 25th, 2009 (1/25/2009 1:28pm) in reply to dmschec

    <p>lol thanks rf, helpful comment</p>
     
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  12. D41M41B D41M41B is offline

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    Jan 25th, 2009 (1/25/2009 1:31pm) in reply to dmschec

    <p>gotta play devils advocate :)</p>
     
  13. dmschec dmschec is offline

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    Jan 25th, 2009 (1/25/2009 1:42pm) in reply to dmschec

    <p>D4 I think your line is a totally fine way to play the hand, and in fact it's probably the safer/better approach. My article tried to approach the situation from a strictly postflop perspective.</p>
    <p>Folding or 3betting pre is fine/good etc</p>
     
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    Jan 25th, 2009 (1/25/2009 4:35pm) in reply to dmschec

    <p>damn  sick skills to lead the flop and 4 bet his raise</p>
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    Jan 25th, 2009 (1/25/2009 6:16pm) in reply to dmschec

    <p>Agreed, and if you were to get into the situation at hand I think you pretty much laid out all optimal lines, well done.</p>
     
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    Jan 25th, 2009 (1/25/2009 6:57pm) in reply to dmschec

    <p>mbn to ever accume 26k at 3-600 blinds imo</p>
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    Jan 26th, 2009 (1/26/2009 7:12am) in reply to dmschec

    <p>What Billy said and what's wrong with playing postflop poker?  All you people want to do is 3bet fold or get in an 80bb pot seeing who can outlevel who....play a friggin flop for once.</p>
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    Jan 26th, 2009 (1/26/2009 10:43am) in reply to dmschec

    <p>Very incite full.  I like the check call option.  I agree that this line will ultimately give you pot control.</p>
    <p>What happens if the villan is holding KQs and you both make the flush? Are we going broke here?</p>
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    Jan 26th, 2009 (1/26/2009 11:38am) in reply to dmschec

    <p>ya, what bef said, IMO</p>
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    Jan 26th, 2009 (1/26/2009 7:13pm) in reply to dmschec

    <p>GENIUS IMO         ONNEEE TIMMMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE</p>
    <p>STEAMROLLLLLLLL</p>
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    Jan 30th, 2009 (1/30/2009 4:52am) in reply to dmschec

    <p>check raise all in on flop weeeeee!!!</p>
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