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Article: A Poker Epiphany

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  1. marinersheep marinersheep is offline This is stupid.

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    Apr 27th, 2008 (4/27/2008 3:04pm)

     
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    Apr 27th, 2008 (4/27/2008 5:29pm) in reply to marinersheep

    <p>nice article, but i disagree that there is no variance in sports.  Of course there is variance in sports, look at basketball - you try to put up the most high % shots you can, but you don't always win, because sometimes variance makes a bad shooting day.  This is why they have Best of 5 or Best of 7 series in sports, to even out variance.</p>
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    Apr 27th, 2008 (4/27/2008 5:53pm) in reply to marinersheep

    <p>marinersheep I hope you feel better after writing this article; since we have never meet my only question who did you write it for "the community or you"? The answer is not going to be obvious to most; I don't want to be the person who kicks the dog when its down, but had you made this post in the forum there would be hundreds of replies... I think you get the understanding.,,</p>
  4. marinersheep marinersheep is offline This is stupid.

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    Apr 27th, 2008 (4/27/2008 6:13pm) in reply to marinersheep

    <p>kmil: If a team plays their best, they will always win IMO. By saying that a team can have a poor shooting day, that means they didn't play their best.</p>
    <p>Jones: I wrote it for the community and to represent Zona Crew. I wouldn't have written it at all if I didn't feel like it was something that the community could benefit from. Also, articles are commonly discussed and argued over in the poker forum, so I don't quite see your point. I obviously got satisfaction from writing it, but this epiphany is something that's helped me and something that I decided to share with the P5's community. There's no hidden agenda.</p>
    <p>Thanks for reading.</p>
     
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    Apr 27th, 2008 (4/27/2008 7:12pm) in reply to marinersheep

    <p>I'll be honest...this is exactly what I needed to read after a consecutive week of complete bs and bad beat finishes...appreciate it. </p>
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    Apr 27th, 2008 (4/27/2008 7:16pm) in reply to marinersheep

    <p>Very nice article sheep. Well written</p>
     
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    Apr 27th, 2008 (4/27/2008 7:25pm) in reply to marinersheep

    <p>great article, ty for the post</p>
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    Apr 27th, 2008 (4/27/2008 7:56pm) in reply to marinersheep

    <p>I likey</p>
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    Apr 27th, 2008 (4/27/2008 7:59pm) in reply to marinersheep

    <p> sounds like me i cant hit to save my life. i feel so cold i need a nipple and some of mommys love iam scared. i got heads up for a sunday million seat last nite made a deal and wasnt payed by a guy who has plenty ripped me off thanks mbvfn you piece of shit you will get a bad beat when i see u. Anyway great story it is what i am going through glad to see its not just me. Good luck to u </p>
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    Apr 27th, 2008 (4/27/2008 8:01pm) in reply to marinersheep

    <p>I had to read the sentence with "epiphany" numerous times to make sure I think I was understanding how you were using the word "epiphany=experience"?</p>
    <p><a rel="nofollow" target="_new" href="http://www.yourdictionary.com/epiphany">www.yourdictionary.com/epiphany</a></p>
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    Apr 27th, 2008 (4/27/2008 8:02pm) in reply to marinersheep

    <p>PS: Good article </p>
    <p>Best regards,</p>
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    Apr 27th, 2008 (4/27/2008 8:20pm) in reply to marinersheep

    <p>Well written and something I think we can all benefit from.  Everyone should feel free to stop by Zonacrew.net and contrbute something to a fun/friendly poker community.</p>
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    Apr 27th, 2008 (4/27/2008 10:40pm) in reply to marinersheep

    <p>great article!!</p>
    <p>I just added a collumn in my tracking sheet for 'grade' and i will try to grade myself honestly whenever I play. </p>
    <p>thanks for sharing</p>
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    Apr 28th, 2008 (4/28/2008 2:13am) in reply to marinersheep

    <p>Wow, Marinersheep that article was so amazing seriously. I, myself went through some horrible variance this month, and this is a great way to battle variance. If i played in A game I shouldnt be mad I lost money and if i played a D game, then I shouldnt be happy I won alot of money. Definately going to start doing the grade thing, it's much better then seeing how much money I am up or down that day. </p>
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    Apr 28th, 2008 (4/28/2008 2:39am) in reply to marinersheep

    <p>Thanks to everyone for the feedback. I appreciate you all taking the time to read the article and comment on it. Hopefully it helps =)</p>
     
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    Apr 28th, 2008 (4/28/2008 4:09am) in reply to marinersheep

    <p>I will never forget railing (and rooting for) bdubs (one of your boys) in a ps tourney and having you berate me for being a "pathetic" $5 - $10 sng grinder at the time.  Oh nevermind...it was before the epiphany obv. so all is forgotten.</p>
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    Apr 28th, 2008 (4/28/2008 5:20am) in reply to marinersheep

    <p>FWIW I've never berated anyone because they play low stakes. Tons of my friends play low stakes. I prob did berate you because I was railing bdubs, and you probably sucked out on him or something. Sorry.</p>
     
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  18. marinersheep marinersheep is offline This is stupid.

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    Apr 28th, 2008 (4/28/2008 5:21am) in reply to marinersheep

    <p>Edit: You were rooting FOR bdubs? And I berated you? Whaaaaaaat??? That makes no sense...</p>
     
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    Apr 28th, 2008 (4/28/2008 5:30am) in reply to marinersheep

    <p>lol..these articles always come on the heels of a big win...useless..</p>
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    Apr 28th, 2008 (4/28/2008 5:48am) in reply to marinersheep

    <p>who roots FOR bdubs?  A+ article sheep</p>
     
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    Apr 28th, 2008 (4/28/2008 6:01am) in reply to marinersheep

    <p>TYTY bdubs. And for the record, this article was written before my "big win". If you think this article is useless, then I'm sorry. I'm trying to offer a different perspective on how to evaluate your daily success to deal with the strain of online tournament poker and its variance. You can take the advice or ignore it, but I feel that it's beneficial to take in. I'm sorry if you find the article useless.</p>
     
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    Apr 28th, 2008 (4/28/2008 7:21am) in reply to marinersheep

    <p>vewry nicce article ty</p>
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    Apr 28th, 2008 (4/28/2008 8:37am) in reply to marinersheep

    <p>Perfect article for the monday blues after an awful sunday. I know I played well yesterday, as evidenced by my bustouts. I think it is always good to review your bustout hands (or sometimes what led to them) to see if it was bad play or bad luck that busted u out. Check-out this sequence:</p>
    <p>party 300K: QQ < QJ when a scandi lagtard pot committed himself with a stupid overbet 3-bet and called my 4-bet for a pot worth 4X average stack</p>
    <p>Full Tilt Sunday Brawl: Out 80th AT< J8 when SB donk-shoved on my BB for a pot worth 1.5X average stack</p>
    <p>Bodog 100K: Out 20 from the money coolered 8BB shove from CO with AT into JJ</p>
    <p>Sunday Million: Out 100 from the money after 10BB SB donk-shove J8 > 77, knocking me down to <10BBs. Then coolered shoving 99 into QQ.</p>
    <p>FTP 750k: The worst way to end an awful night: SB vs BB 4X average pot when a total retard calls my 4-bet with KJ > 77 (he was far far from pot committed after his 3-bet: simply a terrible call).</p>
    <p>Would not have played any of those hands any different and feel it was just one of those nights. The point to recognise is that I played every single hand mentioned above in a +EV manner.</p>
     
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    Apr 28th, 2008 (4/28/2008 8:44am) in reply to marinersheep

    <p>This is a good article.  I think though, it leads to the next question, how can you effectively grade yourself?  Is it even possible (it's great if you talk to other poker players daily, not everyone has friends/aquaitances that have opinions that I can respect in the game).</p>
    <p>I think we see it daily in the forums.  I am a great player, but I've never won a day in my life because of the damn donkeys making bad calls on me.  These players would give themselves A's day an night for their play, even though they are really playng losing poker (and it's a trap anyone can slip into).  I don't have the solution, but it's something to think about.</p>
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    Apr 28th, 2008 (4/28/2008 9:27am) in reply to marinersheep

    <p>Where's the money???!!!!</p>
    <p>Had a bad run this month after being up nicely for the month, (after three horrible months to start 2008) read the article, then went to the tables and got hosed somemore!  I'm all for playing A game, but when you make no money doing, what's the point.  It's about the money, and long term is a long way off when you are in a hole.  'There is no joy in Mudville today .... Casey has been beaned'</p>
    <p>I need one of those remotes in click.</p>
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    Apr 28th, 2008 (4/28/2008 11:44am) in reply to marinersheep

    <p>Lord: I think it comes with experience. I tried to stress that this article was directed toward "proven +EV players". I think these types can effectively grade themselves fairly without outside sources.</p>
    <p>Thanks to everyone for their comments. They're much appreciated.</p>
     
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    Apr 28th, 2008 (4/28/2008 5:22pm) in reply to marinersheep

    <p>Thanks for the words of wisdom.</p>
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    Apr 30th, 2008 (4/30/2008 4:02pm) in reply to marinersheep

    <p>Great Article, man what a disgustingly bad month i've had. Variance is a b.</p>
     
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    Apr 30th, 2008 (4/30/2008 6:48pm) in reply to marinersheep

    <p>well written....sure puts online poker into a positive perspective</p>
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    May 4th, 2008 (5/4/2008 9:11am) in reply to marinersheep

    <p>Excellent article.</p>
    <p>I sometimes read Curtains blog and he has a way that he calculates his winnings for the day that are based on his play rather than the money he makes.  Something like Sklanski dollars.</p>
     
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