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Article: Poker Storytelling: Razz

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  1. adanthar adanthar is offline

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    Jun 3rd, 2009 (6/3/2009 5:22pm)

     
  2. skeptix skeptix is offline

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    Jun 9th, 2009 (6/9/2009 1:20am) in reply to adanthar

    <p>Best article I've seen on here in a while.</p>
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    Jun 9th, 2009 (6/9/2009 1:56am) in reply to adanthar

    <p>please write more, very sick article.. well done</p>
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    Jun 9th, 2009 (6/9/2009 2:11am) in reply to adanthar

    <p>Yeah, good one! But let's keep all the stud secrets to ourselfs... hehe.</p>
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    Jun 9th, 2009 (6/9/2009 2:14am) in reply to adanthar

    <p>wp sir</p>
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    Jun 9th, 2009 (6/9/2009 6:39am) in reply to adanthar

    <p>Well done sir. looking forward to the next one. </p>
     
  7. gopackgo04 gopackgo04 is offline

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    Jun 9th, 2009 (6/9/2009 9:23am) in reply to adanthar

    <p>Well written. Razz looks so simple and that drags a lot of bad players into it. Might be the best bluffing game out there.</p>
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    Jun 9th, 2009 (6/9/2009 9:39am) in reply to adanthar

    <p>It's nice to read an intelligent article on a subject you don't always get to hear about.  Now when I see the check raise on the river, I can reraise profitably. because it's probably a bluff.</p>
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    Jun 9th, 2009 (6/9/2009 12:28pm) in reply to adanthar

    <p>Thanks for the article.  I stopped reading articles on here a long time ago, but this one caught my eye because of the title (since I play a good amount of HORSE), and because of the authors name, and I was not disappointed.</p>
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    Jun 9th, 2009 (6/9/2009 3:03pm) in reply to adanthar

    <p>Good article and very appropriate to see the 2nd place in $2100 at the top of your recent scores!</p>
    <p>I am not sure if the play you are describing will work against this type of player. When you are up against a bad player who is willing to chase an 8 Lo against your xx756 on 5th and then you check on 6th in the situation mentioned above, villain will be more than happy to check behind on 6th and take the free card. I doubt very much that this opponent will bet into you on 6th giving you a chance to check-raise. If villain improves to an 8 Lo on the river, I think you are getting called 100% of the time because i think villain already committed to calling with any 8 Lo when villain called on 5th street.</p>
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    Jun 10th, 2009 (6/10/2009 4:08am) in reply to adanthar

    <p>Very nice article, but I have to agree with ferrengi. Though you might be able to sell it to some thinking opponents, who you have good reads on, most players will just take your check on 6th for weakness, and will never fold a made 8 on the river, or even if unimproved, thinking you paired everything and this is the only way you can win, which actually makes sense. Very few - and mostly high-stakes - games are about getting fancy, an aggressive, straightforward game will do the job everywhere else.</p>
     
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    Jun 10th, 2009 (6/10/2009 7:59am) in reply to adanthar

    <p>This is a fine article but I would definitely like to see you reply to the comments by ferrengi and rocquel as they bring up the exact points I would have made.  </p>
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    Jun 11th, 2009 (6/11/2009 8:21am) in reply to adanthar

    <p>Hi guys,</p>
    <p>This article was based on a slightly modified hand I actually played against someone whose primary game is NL. I think I made the example a little closer than it was IRL (we both had tens showing in that hand or something like that) but the upcard situation was identical. </p>
    <p>I did have to put the "this won't work against everyone" disclaimer in during my final edit, though, because you're right that it won't work against people that regularly play razz cash and know how rare a sixth street check is in that situation. You're looking for NL players that rely on hand reading to get them through unfamiliar games.</p>
     
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    Jun 11th, 2009 (6/11/2009 11:09am) in reply to adanthar

    <p>Ín this case it's really important to emphasize that this is pbb in a big buyin razz tourney against a non-razz regular. (as I see you posted in your comment after I finished my comment, I'll post it anyway otherwise it's such a waste)</p>
    <p>I don't see how this 6th street adjustment would really work 100% of the times in a ring game. Maybe in tourneys where most of the players are unknown, but in ring games there's no way you'll get him to fold his hand on the river. They should know you would never slowplay your hand here, simply because you would always get called 6th and very often on the river. A slowplay would never make him bet 6th our 7th, so there's never more value in a slowplay. </p>
    <p>So it would only work if your opponent doesn't know you our is really bad. I think it might work against NL players. </p>
    <p>But that said, it's a shame that finally there's a razz article somewhere and it's about razz tournament, I mean how often can we play that? FTOPS, WCOOP and SCOOP. (the sunday razz tournament I doubt it will work because most players are more experienced I think</p>
     
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    Jul 17th, 2009 (7/17/2009 12:25am) in reply to adanthar

    <p>love razz and glad to see an article on the game... any more?? </p>
    <p>i must say i have trouble selling hands to my razz opponents... i limp with a monster and then when i limp later with a marginal hand 963 (3 showing) i get raised or there is a raisng war... a few hands later and they have forgotten i limped with 135. </p>
    <p>i decide to check call all the way against an aggressive opponent with the best and later when i try to see addl cards cheap they have forgotten and come out betting into me...</p>
    <p>i mix it up and play aggro with a strong hand and get called all the way with a very strong hand but when i try and bluff the same way i get called by some marginal hand...</p>
    <p>i guess my timing is an issue and possibly my timing tells also...?</p>
     
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