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A flip for legislative legalization? Who's honestly ever won a flip online?
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I love poker but I will take a stand against it beings it is a coin flip. I never win em so this should be good for those of you that are pro poker
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The bad part is the government leaves us in the dark. The not so smart people cannot figure out how people make a living playing poker, so they just don't believe it is possible. Why is it so hard for someone of authority to give us some kind of timeline of when or if we will get our jobs back?? I don't understand why they are so scared of poker.
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Reality is that the government isn't doing this for professional poker players. Nothing in these bills, or any bills that have any chance to pass, is put there for the benefit of people who play poker for a living. That's just not their concern at all.
Originally Posted by FLUSH634
The bad part is the government leaves us in the dark. The not so smart people cannot figure out how people make a living playing poker, so they just don't believe it is possible. Why is it so hard for someone of authority to give us some kind of timeline of when or if we will get our jobs back?? I don't understand why they are so scared of poker.
There are two main things driving this process toward regulation. Primarily, several powerful lobby groups now want to be able to earn money off legal online gaming in the US. This is the thing that is actually moving the process ahead. On the side, you also have the issue of consumer protections. A lot of people and organizations now recognize that online gaming is very popular and isn't just played by evil anti-Christian communist terrorist baby killers. As the mainstream has become comfortable with the idea of normal people being interested in playing poker online, concerns have arisen that the powers that be should be advocating an environment that can control for fair games, stronger age verification, safe financial transactions, privacy protection, etc. Consumer protection is a good backdrop that makes sense to the people whose votes are needed but don't necessarily have a dog in the fight.
Nobody in government is really going to care about your right to earn money at the expense of recreational poker players. We care, of course :) But your best bet is that this is driven by companies who will profit and concern for players - particularly the recreational type - and their safety when participating. -
Thanks Adam. Shouldn't they be regulating online poker to create jobs and help boost the economy? Is the only thing holding this back consumer protection? It is comical to me that religion has anything to do with this. We have gambling halls on every corner in this country. We buy our gas and then decide whether or not we want to gamble at the counter. Which of the 50 gambling tickets shall i buy? Horse tracks and casinos are in most every state. Where were the "gambling is the devil" people then?
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thank you for your insight o mighty emperor
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whine whine whine=no results!
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adam's completely spot on here, especially regarding the driving forces & the complete negligibility that professional poker players factor into this equation at all. The reckoning process now is a series of discussions -- thus far, in the subcommittee-- that presents an open forum. they've had consumer protection guys, academics, regulators, congressmen both for & against as well as the major players from the lobbying arms of this fight--- these are all preliminary aspects, largely treating the poker carve out as a specific issue & its own vehicle (ie, barton bill), but they're critical for any naysayers or for the indian nation or state lotteries or owners of the kentucky derby or the NBA or whomever wants to weigh in here, now's not a bad time--- but following this is a markup in subcommittee before full committee before the house floor, & some senate version that'll have to work on kyl & reid's compromise.
poker's quickly losing its stigmas, & most of the momentum is the poker only carveout, and studies are being published that ought to convince those in charge it'll make tons of economic/political sense no matter how they look at it. it's not now and never been a slam dunk, but the house has oscillated back to the repub's & barton's making friends and telling stories of the boyscouts-- the senate has its ducks in a row, kyl will go out on a win (strengthening the anti-gambling UIGEA aspects, but regulating/permitting poker) --- this works better with the indian nation as well given they really aren't all on top of this issue, but realize a poker framework as a test subject might shine some light on how the rest of the industry's evolution will take shape, whilst not compromising their huge cash cow on mainly gaming, which is more than double that of AC & Vegas combined. The Indian nation will insist upon not being left behind but ideally the big whigs at the mohegan sun can take a few stragglers under their wing, or the affiliate aspects of their involvement become apparent-- regardless, it'll buy time, give them insight, and most importantly, not give away much ground--- they simply cannot risk missing out on the US transgression to the internet age of gaming in any shape or form, and the poker carve out has such staunch force, and i honestly don't think mary bono's subcommittee would be that malleable in barton's effort if it was going to obliterate her district's 7 reservation casinos. a total gaming surge is something they can stand strongly against, but a poker carve out really should most importantly buy them some time and give them some foresight--- hopefully it's dawned on them how specifically derailed their entire economy as a nation would be should they state by state trounce a federal compromise where they're enveloped in or at least have a concentrated seat at the table. states will never yield as much to the indian nation on a whole individually-- it'll be a mad race to the top once vegas opens doors in february if nothing else shifts course-- indian nation is a pivotal player and i would implore them to recognize their predicament.
then just a couple more handshakes a few vote's and we're back in business stronger than ever with stupid $1million wsop events and all sorts of more local networks and the sites bringing back their non-unregistering from live events you sattied into to really beef up the domestic tours-- then toss a lil corporate backing after their big lawyers read up on the passed bills and toss them the thumbs up, throw some professional athletes & celebrities into the equation, raw & unprecedented levels of new competition (could rake become actually competitive??? reset some industry norms damnnit!), and man we're cooking. Hats off to the completely contrived EPL shenanigan ( & arguable UB red herring ) and it's introduction of a pro-am element to really stir up the fan/viewership of the TV productions; complete props to them for the partnership with the ridiculous publication of USA Today (AKA hotel welcome mat) and for pulling off the legitimizing of a scoresystem that completely favors the old TV guard, but hey, props further for revoking chris fergy & h. lederererer's tour cards. Ringing CBS into the market was also beautiful, always crucial to have big network players especially since the pokerstars/FTP late night shows all got torched. Just throw donald trump, the ferritta brothers, steve wynn, that guy genting that's trying to run vegas/AC into the ground via NYC/MIA billion dollar projects, & all the other hedgefund moguls & sports team owners the chance to impress each other. throw this damn industry the REAL green light and watch how beautifully this will spur local and federal economies-- all the $$$'s just sitting there on the table & the soccer mom's shrilly yelled for the children a few years ago, but they're outmatched-- everyone's broke, the playboys may lose their tax statuses, & maybe mark cuban needs a new hobby. Maybe the threat of lockouts can steer a little bit more of the capital to some better wagers.
then all the moons align and the paigow degens all switch over to poker just as adi "intervntion" agarwal mobilizes the masses in india. an extra 2billion button clickers in the player pool and we'll be laughing about the old days. more stories from the boyscouts, barton, america just loves that cult. pandora's box is primed and ready. defining moments for the internet & a plethora of economies on an absurd amount of levels. & quite potentially preceding a complete iGaming revolution that'll clearly ripple out around the world. connect it all together, damnit. an initial erected framework is paramount at this point, & w/ billionaire's backing it and for the entire carefully guarded cash cow of gaming is up for grabs, it'll converge towards a player's industry like never before. competition competition competition. and if this little project takes off it promises some unfathomable potential -
lol....great post. Only serious part I disagree with is rake becoming competitive. I believe the US-facing rooms are not going to be making big strides to appeal to winning players via the rake. Most in the industry view that as a major problem with the way things have been the last few years. It's sort of like supply side vs. demand side economics. The rooms are going to focus almost exclusively on getting as many recreational players in the door as possible. This, in turn, will keep the sharks happy and the ecosystem healthy.









