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Article: Protecting Players' Rights in Live Poker Events

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  1. Fox Fox is offline

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    Feb 23rd, 2010 (2/23/2010 8:17pm)

  2. Dontemptme Dontemptme is offline

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    Feb 23rd, 2010 (2/23/2010 11:32pm) in reply to Fox

    <p>Nice read FOX...interesting notes about that and most other tournaments.</p>
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    Feb 24th, 2010 (2/24/2010 12:02am) in reply to Fox

    <p>This offends me that people would do crap like this but Fox is right..  People will still play their tournaments..</p>
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    Feb 24th, 2010 (2/24/2010 12:19am) in reply to Fox

    <p>It's like the woman being beaten by her husband, she can't stay away because she loves him too much.  So what if he knocked your teeth out, that is just his way of showing how much he cares about you.  Until the players get together and say this is not acceptable they will continue to do it.  Why would a BUSINESS give away money they don't have to.</p>
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    Feb 24th, 2010 (2/24/2010 1:06am) in reply to Fox

    <p>pretty sleazy stars, thought this would be a good alternative to the struggling wpt, but it appears its just another way for them to whore their site out</p>
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    Feb 24th, 2010 (2/24/2010 1:47am) in reply to Fox

    <p>Fox --- always a pleasure to read what you have to say.  Your sentiments are shared by many players. Unfortunately, the anti-competitive behaviors of pokerstars, WPT, WSOP etc. are calculated executive decisions to brand the names of their respective compane and generate revenue for themselves...and NOT serve the players whom these organizations desperately need to survive. Sadly, there hasn't been a pokerroom to my knowledge that has created a tournament series truly for the players which grants players rights to gain sponsorship freely. That would be a series worth booking a flight for. Thanks.</p>
     
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    Feb 24th, 2010 (2/24/2010 3:46am) in reply to Fox

    <p>Not that I am anywhere near playing in this type of event, but an interesting read nonethless.</p>
    <p>It really is a case of the rich get richer....i guess you have to remember that this is still a young industry and in time no doubt players will get fairer conditions as they represent themselves better collectively and more competitive offerings emerge....until then the pokerstars shareholders will clean up.</p>
     
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    Feb 24th, 2010 (2/24/2010 6:03am) in reply to Fox

    <p>from a business perspective, I think its well played by pokerstars.   Why cant they run a Pokerstars poker tour and name it NAPT?</p>
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  9. Fox Fox is offline

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    Feb 24th, 2010 (2/24/2010 6:10am) in reply to Fox

    <p>They can, they aren't doing anything they don't have the right to do. I just want everyone to know what they are getting in to and I'm hoping that a lot of players will make the same choice I am and stay home or find different tournaments to play until they change some of these policies. </p>
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    Feb 24th, 2010 (2/24/2010 9:13am) in reply to Fox

    <p>excellent article, thanks for the research and insight</p>
     
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    Feb 24th, 2010 (2/24/2010 12:38pm) in reply to Fox

    <p>WTF?  Stars has standardized advertising rules.  So what?  If you are a sponsored player you can still receive whatever bonuses your employer wants to pay youl.  There are simply restrictions and standardizations.  NAPT is a huge step forward and pokerstars is lightyears ahead of any other poker institution in spreading the game of poker.  They have a NINE international poker tour.  Quit crying.</p>
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    Feb 24th, 2010 (2/24/2010 12:51pm) in reply to Fox

    <p>What is their motivation for "standardizing" the practice of preventing players who make the final table from signing a deal once they get there? If this becomes a standard practice it will just become standard to bone the guys who don't have deals yet.  And I wasn't crying. How would what I did be misconstrued so badly as to appear to be crying?</p>
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    Feb 24th, 2010 (2/24/2010 3:43pm) in reply to Fox

    <p>Obviously some of the advertising rules are within stars' self-interests.  They are the ones that spent money marketing, held the online satellites, and got the TV deals.  They deserve something out of it.  However, we have no idea what kind of agreements Stars had to make with the casino or tv networks and in the end you really don't know how much greed really had to do with it.</p>
    <p>Then you come in and exclain to all p5s users who might want to play these tournaments that it's basically a joke that they can't put a nominal extra profit in their pocket if they final table like all the other tournaments.  But you won't be doing anything about the situation to help make it better for those players.  Just letting them know how shitty it is.  So at this point in time I'd say yeah maybe stars is being greedy but you are too.  And in the end Stars is still making new fans out of poker while you are trying to get random p5ers most of which don't even know what a final table sponsorship deal is to boycott events.</p>
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    Feb 24th, 2010 (2/24/2010 6:51pm) in reply to Fox

    <p>I can't imagine how come up with the idea that I am being greedy here. I don't profit from letting everyone know what the rules are, and I can't come up with any reason why it is a bad thing to make sure everyone knows exactly what they are signing when they go to one of these tourneys. </p>
    <p>I'm not even calling for a boycott, didn't mention anything of the sort. And I am doing the only thing I have the means to do about the situation, which is make people aware. I would love to start a competing poker tour that treated players well and was run correctly, but I don't have the time or the financial backing for it. </p>
    <p>Are you suggesting that all this be kept a secret or what? I don't understand your criticism because most of it based on things I never said in the article.  </p>
    <p>So tell me - What are you doing to help poker?</p>
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    Feb 24th, 2010 (2/24/2010 10:49pm) in reply to Fox

    <p>Because your attitude is that you are just not going to play,yet let everyone else know how shitty it is that you don't get your nominal final table bonuses, instead of calling for a petition or reform.  Your article may have validity but your approach and attitude hurts peoples viewpoints on poker and discourages the average poker fan reading this site from getting more involved with poker.  i personally haven't done shit to help poker besides not be an asshole on the tables for the most part.  but all you are doing here is complaining but with no end game.</p>
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    Feb 25th, 2010 (2/25/2010 11:05am) in reply to Fox

    <p>"i personally haven't done shit to help poker besides not be an asshole on the tables for the most part.  but all you are doing here is complaining but with no end game."</p>
    <p>You win. I apologize for my attitude to anyone who had their viewpoint hurt by my attitude. I am not one of the players hunting for a final table bonus, I already have my gear and my sponsors set and won't be changing them, this was just my obviously misguided attempt to let other people know about the rules. My "nominal" final table bonuses are already locked up, that's how greedy I am! </p>
    <p>Again I am sorry for discouraging the average fan from getting more involved with poker and reading this site. Looking back on it I probably have discouraged a lot of people from reading pocketfives, but these dummies will probably keep putting my stuff on the front page until no one reads the site at all. </p>
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    May 10th, 2010 (5/10/2010 1:25pm) in reply to Fox

    <p>LOL@Deuce2High - All that Fox was saying in the article is that the rules put in place by pokerstars (which he said was their right to put in place) are unfair to players.  Fox was informing people of the stipulations put in place by Pokerstars so that they could make a more informed decision on how they decide to spend their entertainment $.  Thank you Fox for this.  Now Deuce sit down and stfu.</p>
     
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