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Nice read Lord9BaLL as the points you have made are a big part of the game i am working on. I am constantly trying to ask myself these questions; And you have explain this very well imo. Good luck today at the tables.......................................
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good read
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Good read. Your always stressing the importance of having a range assessed and a line in mind based on that range. From that point on its just a matter of doing your HW with equity calculations and such. Can't wait for the next article.
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having a plan is def importante fo sho ,but on a flip situation i will see players pre-meditate a plan to bluff ,without taking into consideration that maybe that bet size or next street card isn't exactly the right bluff to be making,and also a lot of thinking players go by natural instinct on certain plays because of timing/bet tells that bring out the quick sniffer .plans are awesome in other words but there are times [imo] that instinct kicks in without time to plan
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This is not necessarily true. Pretty good article though.
Originally Posted by John Reynolds
In this spot, facing one villain on the river, we should determine if we have showdown value. If we have showdown value, but don't want to call a raise, we should check/call.
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Thanks for the comment. Yea I tried to stress that all spots are different and that a plan is more of an outline and to know to reevaluate in some situations like more action than expected or certain flops textures like you mentioned. Good point, thanks
Originally Posted by double_kyan
having a plan is def importante fo sho ,but on a flip situation i will see players pre-meditate a plan to bluff ,without taking into consideration that maybe that bet size or next street card isn't exactly the right bluff to be making,and also a lot of thinking players go by natural instinct on certain plays because of timing/bet tells that bring out the quick sniffer .plans are awesome in other words but there are times [imo] that instinct kicks in without time to plan
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Originally Posted by cracker9ball
Can you elaborate? I am guessing that you are talking about a thin value line. Is that correct?
Thin value line is certainly a part of it, but given the abstract scenario we don't have enough information to make a judgement of what is better EV(x,c) vs EV(b,f), where EV(x,c) is the expected value of check/call and EV(b,f) is the expected value of bet/fold. The only information we have is that we have a hand that has some showdown value and this is very vague. The answer is it really just depends on our opponent's 1) river range is and 2) his river strategy versus us. If our opponent is super aggro and may put us into some really tough spots with thin value bets, then yes I agree that x/c is probably a good line with the bottom end of our value range. However, if our opponent is on the passive side and he will check behind a lot with hands that would have called a bet, then we may be better off placing a bet if we have good equity versus his river range.
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Originally Posted by nuttedup
Thin value line is certainly a part of it, but given the abstract scenario we don't have enough information to make a judgement of what is better EV(x,c) vs EV(b,f), where EV(x,c) is the expected value of check/call and EV(b,f) is the expected value of bet/fold. The only information we have is that we have a hand that has some showdown value and this is very vague. The answer is it really just depends on our opponent's 1) river range is and 2) his river strategy versus us. If our opponent is super aggro and may put us into some really tough spots with thin value bets, then yes I agree that x/c is probably a good line with the bottom end of our value range. However, if our opponent is on the passive side and he will check behind a lot with hands that would have called a bet, then we may be better off placing a bet if we have good equity versus his river range.
My comment was really just based on your generality of the situation, where we didn't have a lot of concrete information.
Thanks a lot for your comment. The statement I made was meant to be vague and to address the fact we need to be thinking about our actions. To think to much on that one line is straying from the point a little. I agree that several lines can be taken. I was merely pointing out to think about how you will react to the villains aggression before you act, and sometimes if you don't like the ending of any of the scenarios you think out you can check/call instead of bet/fold or bet/call. Thank you for the comment. -
Thanks once again for another good article , that I enjoyed reading . This is a mistake that I see a lot of people still make pretty often , even seasoned veterans of the game . Its easy to get just button clicky and not think out all your actions . Thanks for the reminder , gonna read it again before my next session ! Thanks again and GL .
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I cant check, I c-bet too much..Got better chance checkin the garbage to rep..
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GREAT READ
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yah there is def nothing like checking into a guy ,just to watch him slam a large bet at ya on the river
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Cracker is a Latin King? His face is disturbing but his game is tight. Lol jk jk!Great read as usual Crack! PS ... I'm the villain and once stars and tilt return to The U.S. I will crush the comp and top the ranks! I'm coming for you!!!
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Originally Posted by pure luck 21
Cracker is a Latin King? His face is disturbing but his game is tight. Lol jk jk!Great read as usual Crack! PS ... I'm the villain and once stars and tilt return to The U.S. I will crush the comp and top the ranks! I'm coming for you!!!
Thanks for your comment pureluck21. I will be eagerly awaiting you and I am sure it will be a challenge. Good luck -
Just got around to reading your articles and I enjoyed them both. Keep up the hard work and see ya on the tables.We've definitely had our share of battles.-Nokaman
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Originally Posted by Ntaust10
Just got around to reading your articles and I enjoyed them both. Keep up the hard work and see ya on the tables.We've definitely had our share of battles.-Nokaman
Haha, yea we battle a ton. Thanks for the comment nokaman see you at the tables. Good luck and keep playing tough you are a solid opponent. -
Good read. Often we can make decisions in poker without an rhyme or reason. Keeping focus and actually thinking through every decision we make is key to maintaining the edge that we all feel we should have on the games we play. Keep up the good work sir.








