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Article: Who's better? Online or live players?

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  1. AceSpades AceSpades is offline

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    Jun 30th, 2008 (6/30/2008 10:15pm)

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  2. DoubleS00ted DoubleS00ted is offline

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    Jun 30th, 2008 (6/30/2008 10:50pm) in reply to AceSpades

    <p>live players suck.</p>
  3. rocksolid124 rocksolid124 is offline

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    Jun 30th, 2008 (6/30/2008 11:03pm) in reply to AceSpades

    <p>This really is a pointless argument imo.  The top online players are great, and the top live players are great.</p>
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    Jun 30th, 2008 (6/30/2008 11:20pm) in reply to AceSpades

    <p>Did this article really get posted?</p>
     
  5. joshinho joshinho is offline

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    Jun 30th, 2008 (6/30/2008 11:32pm) in reply to AceSpades

    <p>Yeah- shocked me that it was posted too. Pointless....</p>
  6. TMLMS13 TMLMS13 is offline

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    Jun 30th, 2008 (6/30/2008 11:46pm) in reply to AceSpades

    <p>burn lol</p>
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    Jul 1st, 2008 (7/1/2008 12:38am) in reply to AceSpades

    <p>Everyone...please also keep in mind that Off Topic posts should remain in Off Topic and that any thread that is started that contains any Poker Discussion should be put into the Poker Discussion forum.</p>
    <p>Thank you</p>
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    Jul 1st, 2008 (7/1/2008 1:01am) in reply to AceSpades

    <p>ok the whole "o online players see a million hands" is the biggest cop out for a reason.....that means nothing, learning curve is quick in poker, and many things become standard, plus seeing hands is gibberish unless you study, i play sng, and see tons of hands, but i havent improves since prolly hand 1,000, lol.....basically....just seeing  a lot of hands doesnt equate to an edge, unless u compare it to someone who has seen ZERO hands....live pros have seen enough...</p>
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    Jul 1st, 2008 (7/1/2008 2:49am) in reply to AceSpades

    <p>garbage</p>
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    Jul 1st, 2008 (7/1/2008 7:19am) in reply to AceSpades

    <p>not even close, at worst seeing more hands helps with your instincts. The times where you just "feel" some card is coming or you just "know" a player has nothing... but either way I would say there is much more to this argument, and I wouldnt neccessarily count out the online guys...</p>
     
  11. Aaron_Hacker Aaron_Hacker is offline

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    Jul 1st, 2008 (7/1/2008 8:31am) in reply to AceSpades

    <p>i try to think... but nothings happening</p>
     
  12. Nate Avenson Nate Avenson is offline

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    Jul 1st, 2008 (7/1/2008 8:44am) in reply to AceSpades

    <p>This piece has given me the confidence to write an article for pocketfives.</p>
     
  13. sirswish6 sirswish6 is offline i mean super business

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    Jul 1st, 2008 (7/1/2008 9:00am) in reply to AceSpades

    <p>"one hand is still one hand."--- this may or may not be true.</p>
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  14. JD Roark JD Roark is offline

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    Jul 1st, 2008 (7/1/2008 9:58am) in reply to AceSpades

    <p>I don't buy the "a hand is a hand argument".  I don't think an online pro gets a lot out of hands when he is 12 tabling.  He may be applying what he already knows to those hands but he isn't necessarily progressing.  Now, if you are playing live and studying the other players and trying to guess what each of them have, etc, I think you are getting much more out of it.</p>
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    Jul 1st, 2008 (7/1/2008 2:09pm) in reply to AceSpades

    <p>geeky computer nerd online players have image problems when they play live, which can be overcome, but alot of them start off as blown players and cant figure out why they dont get any action</p>
  16. dare92 dare92 is offline

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    Jul 1st, 2008 (7/1/2008 2:55pm) in reply to AceSpades

    <p>"I have even heard of players playing 20 tables at once"</p>
    <p>REALLY???? You heard this?  OMG.</p>
    <p>If you truly didn't know this for sure, or even have done it yourself.  I dare say you shouldn't be writing an article about online players.</p>
  17. IamAfter5 IamAfter5 is offline

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    Jul 1st, 2008 (7/1/2008 3:28pm) in reply to AceSpades

    <p>Wonder why no one has put together a Live vs Online tournament. Maybe Invitational and maybe allow a certain number of satelliete players .  Pocket Fives you should get together with some pros and have a Huge Tourney with that specific format.....</p>
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    Jul 1st, 2008 (7/1/2008 3:36pm) in reply to AceSpades

    <p>a good player is a good player. the one thing i will say it from my experince is end game tourney it seems online players seem to play it well not to say live players dont. cash games i will give the small edge to live players there is no foreced play or end game. like i said a good player is a good player.</p>
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    Jul 1st, 2008 (7/1/2008 4:41pm) in reply to AceSpades

    <p>"A young online player often has significantly more experience than even a live player."</p>
    <p>Please quit equating experience with number of hands played. Sorry, but it's just silly. </p>
  20. mediocreIam mediocreIam is offline

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    Jul 1st, 2008 (7/1/2008 6:31pm) in reply to AceSpades

    <p>Joke right? LOL Donkey-article</p>
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    Jul 2nd, 2008 (7/2/2008 9:44am) in reply to AceSpades

    <p>After he won the NBC Heads Up Championship Chris Ferguson said he improved dramatically at HU play by playing many hands on-line.  This comment from a classic "live" pro bolsters the argument that more on-line hands helps in live games but it also shows why this whole debate is now a mute point.  There aren't many great "live" players today who aren't also on-line players.  Most of the well known live players (Ferguson, Hellmuth, Negreanu, etc.) play alot on-line.</p>
     
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    Jul 2nd, 2008 (7/2/2008 4:21pm) in reply to AceSpades

    <p>Clearly playing hundreds of thousands more hands would provide a distinct advantage in experience for most people of average intellect and poker talent. That would mean, generally, the average on-line poker player would have the edge over the average live player. </p>
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    Jul 2nd, 2008 (7/2/2008 4:52pm) in reply to AceSpades

    <p>Is this guy serious???? give me a break man, negreanu would crush u and ur stupid idea. Did you ever think that  internet poker is jucied and that may be the reason uve had a WHOPPING 14 royals. </p>
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    Jul 2nd, 2008 (7/2/2008 10:49pm) in reply to AceSpades

    <p>Dare92: The article was originally written for an audience with limited poker knowledge.</p>
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    Jul 3rd, 2008 (7/3/2008 6:17am) in reply to AceSpades

    <p>resilient josh: To say that it's pointless I think is ridiculous.  A lot of people don't understand the concept of hand experience. Especially you nutinsider who evidently for some reason hasn't improved since his first week playing and thinks I'm the one who doesn't know what I'm talking about. </p>
    <p>I don't know about you but I find myself constantly working on my game and learning and improving and I've been a pro for almost 5 years.</p>
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    Jul 3rd, 2008 (7/3/2008 6:20am) in reply to AceSpades

    <p>JD roark: Finally an intelligent person.  I don't disagree with you at all.  That being saidm to say that your not progressing each hand and just applying tactics you already know may be true in some scenarios.  However, often not the case and often your involved in very tough spots.  Everytime your in one of these spots, everytime you have to make a tough decision, everytime you recognize a mistake you make or a great play you make, believe it or not your gettng better.  That happens a lot more online and hence your game is improving at a more rapid pace online.</p>
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    Jul 3rd, 2008 (7/3/2008 6:23am) in reply to AceSpades

    <p>SEAN: *With extreme sarcasm*..No sean I didn't consider the fact that the sites were "juiced" ... what was I thinking...</p>
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    Jul 3rd, 2008 (7/3/2008 6:27am) in reply to AceSpades

    <p>I apoligize guys if your an advanced player and this came off in the wrong tone.  I guess in hindsight I could of edited it more to suit a more skilled audience.  </p>
    <p>I am who I am though and I like to write articles that anyone can understand and enjoy.  Both amateurs and pros alike.  I'm disappointed because this was my first published article.  I love to write as both a stress reliever and an escape.  I'm sorry if you didn't like it and I hope at least a few people did. </p>
    <p>Cheers</p>
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    Jul 3rd, 2008 (7/3/2008 8:10pm) in reply to AceSpades

    <p>Aces, I thought your article was great and well written. I am fairly new to the game and I am not sure why some are rude in there response to your article. Keep writing them!</p>
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    Jul 5th, 2008 (7/5/2008 8:11am) in reply to AceSpades

    <p>this is the only article i have read on this site for a year. i wont be reading another one. bloody awful. </p>
     
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