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  1. IAMBL_E IAMBL_E is offline

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    Apr 23rd, 2012 (4/23/2012 6:25pm)

    10 Handed Table, various stack sizes, loose play. UTG raises to 5, everyone calls and you wake up TT in the HJ.....what do you do? Limp or Raise? What do you raise to?
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    Apr 23rd, 2012 (4/23/2012 6:46pm) in reply to IAMBL_E

    We need more of the table dynamics to make a meaningful recommendation.
    Loose table is just to generic. Various stack sizes is meaningless. What is your table image? What do you know about the UTG raiser? What about the limpers? Does anyone play tricky? Do the players call 3bets (what size)?

    Pot is about 5*5 + 1 + 2 = $28 and if you put in the call $33. If you put in close to a PSB, it should be about $30 to $40.00. If you are on a short stack, push because your STP ratio is small and you will be committed to most boards.
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    Apr 23rd, 2012 (4/23/2012 6:47pm) in reply to MYBLUEDOG

    I probably just call with great odds to set mine with the SB and BB probably coming along as well. If only one or two players entered the pot before me I'd probably pop it up to 20 but I feel that at the table that you described you'll get 5 or 6 callers and have to fold the flop unless you hit your set or get something like a 4,4,2 flop. Even if you did get the low uncoordinated flop you could still be way behind a player that just flatted JJ or QQ(it baffles me that they do this).
     
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    Apr 23rd, 2012 (4/23/2012 8:18pm) in reply to MYBLUEDOG

    This probably will help. This is a home game where we pretty much all play with eachother all the time. The UTG raiser is a tricky, loose player(an over all loser). I've seen him do small raises with pretty much really good hands, or really bad hands. My image is I am long time winner, I know how to play the game, don't make alot of mistakes etc...Stack sizes range from 80 dollars to 500 dollars. The UTG raiser has 300ish I have around 160ish. People at this table will rarely fold to raises and almost seldomly are the pots ever heads up on the flop.

    Anyway, this particular hand I decided to flat the 5. The flop is 9 ways on w/ a 9 6 4 rainbow flop. It is checked to me and I bet 32 and the button (an ok player) flats with two $25 chips (as he does this the dealer announces raise to which the play instantly goes "no no no no, i said call"), the hand then folds around to the guy on my right who flats. The turn is a K that also brings a flush draw. The guy to my right (who usually leads out with top pair) checks. What do you do?
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    Apr 23rd, 2012 (4/23/2012 8:27pm) in reply to IAMBL_E

    well, you can't limp considering someone has already raised...so your options woudl be to call, or to raise

    in a tighter game i'd just flat, in a looser game where people are calling 3bets real wide, then i'd definitely 3bet here
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    Apr 23rd, 2012 (4/23/2012 8:36pm) in reply to Gags30

    LOL at not giving that information in the OP. That pretty much changes everything.
     
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    Apr 23rd, 2012 (4/23/2012 8:42pm) in reply to Gags30

    My bad with the lingo, I meant to say call. Okay, if I 3bet here, what is my sizing? Like I said I think earlier, if I 3Bet, I believe Im seeing the flop 3 way, or possibly getting shoved on. Because I think my 3bet size will be such a significant portion of my starting stack, 3bet and then folding on the flop really feels awful. 3Bet and then calling a shove preflop really feels bad too. Is there anyway to play this hand right?

     
    Originally Posted by mdshack14 View Post

    LOL at not giving that information in the OP. That pretty much changes everything.


    my bad, was running into a meeting
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    Apr 24th, 2012 (4/24/2012 10:28am) in reply to raise

    I tend to flat and set mine in the really loose passive cash games at 1/2. If you raise, I find most that call the 5 will call another 20 or so. Then usually you'll be smothered by over cards.

    My experience is that you usually get paid off way enough to compensate for the passive play.
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    Apr 24th, 2012 (4/24/2012 9:14pm) in reply to nassander

    Now for the rest of the hand.....what do you do

    Anyway, this particular hand I decided to flat the 5. The flop is 9 ways on w/ a 9 6 4 rainbow flop. It is checked to me and I bet 32 and the button (an ok player) flats with two $25 chips (as he does this the dealer announces raise to which the play instantly goes "no no no no, i said call"), the hand then folds around to the guy on my right who flats. The turn is a K that also brings a flush draw. The guy to my right (who usually leads out with top pair) checks.....What now?
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    Apr 24th, 2012 (4/24/2012 11:17pm) in reply to IAMBL_E

    With information given, You should be 3 betting 10s ip....
    You say the UTG opener is a known losing player who opens wide, it obviously started a chain reaction with the rest of the table, everyone is trying to play a hand having position on him; so abuse them.
    Im making it 35-45 pre everytime. You can see where your hand is, and also base players hand strength on their action.
    The problem with being the 7th-9th limper with two 10s is the amount of equity you are losing, plus having no idea of where you are in the hand...imo
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    Apr 25th, 2012 (4/25/2012 3:09am) in reply to ShipIt2Dubs

    How do you play a flop with an overcard against two callers? You've already put in 25% if you 3bet here.
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    Apr 25th, 2012 (4/25/2012 5:21am) in reply to IAMBL_E

     
    Originally Posted by IAMBL_E View Post

    This probably will help. This is a home game where we pretty much all play with eachother all the time. The UTG raiser is a tricky, loose player(an over all loser). I've seen him do small raises with pretty much really good hands, or really bad hands. My image is I am long time winner, I know how to play the game, don't make alot of mistakes etc...Stack sizes range from 80 dollars to 500 dollars. The UTG raiser has 300ish I have around 160ish. People at this table will rarely fold to raises and almost seldomly are the pots ever heads up on the flop.

    Anyway, this particular hand I decided to flat the 5. The flop is 9 ways on w/ a 9 6 4 rainbow flop. It is checked to me and I bet 32 and the button (an ok player) flats with two $25 chips (as he does this the dealer announces raise to which the play instantly goes "no no no no, i said call"), the hand then folds around to the guy on my right who flats. The turn is a K that also brings a flush draw. The guy to my right (who usually leads out with top pair) checks. What do you do?

    something tells me you are perpetrating a false image.

    I'm 3beting pre to about $40 depending on utgs and my stack size. As played on the turn, I'm barreling 100% with a decent bet, sizing depends 100% on villain's stack sizes. That K isn't a scare card, only thing it helps is K9. The hands you are most likely against is a 9 and/or OESDs.

    Of course we can all assume that something went wrong because you are posting here. I know for sure you didn't fire the second bullet and take down the pot uncontested. You should have just 3bet pre and added $28 to your stack.
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    Apr 25th, 2012 (4/25/2012 11:38am) in reply to IAMBL_E

     
    Originally Posted by IAMBL_E View Post

    How do you play a flop with an overcard against two callers? You've already put in 25% if you 3bet here.

    Just to be clear there is no overcard on the flop with 2 callers, just a 9 high uncoordinated board with 2 callers. Now lets get to the action: There is approx $120 in the pot and we are sitting with approx 120ish behind. You put out a nice bet that drew 2 callers. NOW the overcard comes on the TURN, guy to your right checks, which is good in that he's betting any sets, kings or K9 combos 100 times out of 100 here, right? Hey he's yOUR BOY, is this right? Yeah? Good. So he's not a factor here. Now lets bring this puppy in for a landing.

    We're esentially HU oop. Not good. So...is he floating our flop bet with AK or KQ/KJs for $32 bucks? Is he not leading out his set for value on the flop? If you play enough 1/2 you see this shit, but bro you play with this guy all the time right so surely you have some feeling about it. But still, we're in a horrible spot here. I think we check the turn and try to gain some information from his action, but we agree in advance that we ARE NOT calling any 1/2ish pot size bets OK? If button jams the turn and guy on the right folds as expected we can now make a read dependent priced in call or fold based on our history/gut feel/intangibles (do we have rebuy $ if we stack off etc?). If he checks turn behind I think we're prolly shoving any non-Ace non-paired board river.

    So..........................how bad was it?
    Edited By: kcd0g Apr 25th, 2012 at 12:05 PM
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