I would fold in my live experiences small raises like that mean you are inviting the reraise so he can flat and set you up post flop or reraise. Yea you have a flush draw but if he has A spade it really doesnt matter. I lay it down but it would eat me like hell inside.

 

Originally Posted by Jedi Phil Ivey

doesnt seem very inexperienced at poker but has been playing very cautious,

What?

 

Originally Posted by JRoth15

 

Originally Posted by yjbrewer

Yea you have a flush draw but if he has A spade it really doesnt matter.

So are you assuming he has AsAx? If not, your thinking doesn't make sense.

If he has only the As, wouldn't we be getting it in here 100% of the time? Even against AsQx, you'd want to get it in.

Yes I seriously think he has AsAx

 

Originally Posted by Jedi Phil Ivey

1$/2$ casino NL. Villain doesnt seem very inexperienced at poker but has been playing very cautious, check calling with overpairs and TPTK, basically playing like a nit most likely becuz he's playing out of his bankroll. He does seem like a newbie though.

Villain(700$ stack) is MP and raises from 2$ to 5$
1 late position caller
Hero(300$ stack):Black Kings, raises from 5$ to 25$
Villain calls
LP folds

Flop: Qs 7s 3s

Hero bets 40$ into 57$ pot
Villain raises 40$ to 100$ (he does it in 2 seconds and then starts giving a confident staredown, which to me means strength)
Hero???????????

I can't imagine betting out about 1/4 of my stack with an over pair, and second nut flush draw.... and then folding to a min reraise.

Push.

 

Originally Posted by VanceAce

 

Originally Posted by Jedi Phil Ivey

1$/2$ casino NL. Villain doesnt seem very inexperienced at poker but has been playing very cautious, check calling with overpairs and TPTK, basically playing like a nit most likely becuz he's playing out of his bankroll. He does seem like a newbie though.

Villain(700$ stack) is MP and raises from 2$ to 5$
1 late position caller
Hero(300$ stack):Black Kings, raises from 5$ to 25$
Villain calls
LP folds

Flop: Qs 7s 3s

Hero bets 40$ into 57$ pot
Villain raises 40$ to 100$ (he does it in 2 seconds and then starts giving a confident staredown, which to me means strength)
Hero???????????

I can't imagine betting out about 1/4 of my stack with an over pair, and second nut flush draw.... and then folding to a min reraise.

Push.

40$ is not 1/4 of stack. 300$ to start, 275$ after flop, 235$ after bet. 40$ is 1/7th of stack, so folding is an option

FORGOT TO MENTION:

Whenever a flop comes all one suit, in this case spades, donkeys usually go to check back on their cards. This tell basically indicates that they had an offsuit hand, and are checking to see if they have any spades. I noticed that Villain immediately checked his hole cards after seeing an all-spade flop, and then instaraised me after I bet.

Assuming this tell is accurate and that he has offsuit cards, what are everyones opinion. I would also like to add that Villain accumulated a huge stack becuz he picked up Aces, smooth-called a raise and a reraise in fron of him, and smooth-called another raise put behind him. He then flatted all bets on flop turn and river, and won the hand. he never at any point put in a raise with his Aces despite all the action happening around him.

AsQx? 77? AA? Tricky spot, I really don't like this one, but have a feeling its one of these 3 hands. I might just tilt; see another card see then see what he does. Let's hope it was the AQ, and you stared and raked after you won.

makes no sense to fold this hand...obv does not have nuts and obv does not have aa...only thing u shud be scared of is a set...and if thats the case u have outs.

I was thinking under the assumption that he has the A of spades, and that he's betting allin on the turn if I check.

 

Originally Posted by Jedi Phil Ivey

Hero???????????

is trying to justify a hero fold, but should have shoved.

 

Originally Posted by Jedi Phil Ivey

1$/2$ casino NL. Villain doesnt seem very experienced at poker but has been playing very cautious, check calling with overpairs and TPTK, basically playing like a nit most likely becuz he's playing out of his bankroll. He does seem like a newbie though.

Villain(700$ stack) is MP and raises from 2$ to 5$
1 late position caller
Hero(300$ stack):Black Kings, raises from 5$ to 25$
Villain calls
LP folds

Flop: Qs 7s 3s

Hero bets 40$ into 57$ pot
Villain raises from 40$ to 100$ (he does it in 2 seconds and then starts giving a confident staredown, which to me means strength)
Hero???????????

this feels sooo much to me like he wants you to fold. (i have had good bit of 1/2 live experience) but what could he have like everyone has said that he would want you to fold and ur actually behind? just AxAs or a small set. by how nitting u said hes been preflop im ruling out a made flush here. but set of 77 or QQ is still a possibility cause of how much value inexperienced players put on small pairs preflop for however much it costs them to stay in. AsQx still seems most likely and i feel like you should be getting it in here most of the time. mini puke in ur mouth and SHIP it in. glglglgl

Results after u shoved or folded and he showed air

I guess the general consensus is to shove, so that answers my question.

BUT.....

I sat there 10 minutes thinking about it, then folded face-down, I didnt feel like I was commited, I put 65% into the pot and still have 235$ in my stack. Also, donating 300$ to this guy in case he does have me beat or outdraws me would put me on severe tilt(proceed to lose more than 2000$, its happened before). For some reason I hated this guy, just the way he was playing his strong hands so meekly, I didnt want him to get a penny more from me.

After I folded, he quickly mucked(A sign that he had the goods, since amateurs always showdown big bluffs), and when I asked what he had, he angrily said he had garbage.

isnt QQ more likely than two spades here?

Hero < Villain