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1/2 NL - Turn and River play: Which mistake is worse?

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  1. Borovich05 Borovich05 is offline

    Minneapolis, MN
    United States

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    Apr 18th, 2008 (4/18/2008 12:08am)

    I've played with this player a number of times. He's usually very solid, but knows I'm aggressive. I put his range on 66-1010 considering his raise on the flop and bet on the turn. Was my raise on the turn correct, or was I giving him too good of odds to call taking into account our relatively low stack sizes after? After his call was this a donk shove on the river by me?

    Stage #960405783: Holdem No Limit $2 - 2008-04-17 23:42:51 (ET)
    Table: WEST COVINA (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
    Seat 2 - IAMMAVERICK ($424.20 in chips)
    Seat 3 - HOTSEAMS ($435.45 in chips)
    Seat 4 - TONYATA ($474.35 in chips)
    Seat 5 - BOROVICH05 ($376.95 in chips)
    Seat 1 - CASHMORGAN ($488.47 in chips)
    HOTSEAMS - Posts small blind $1
    TONYATA - Posts big blind $2
    *** POCKET CARDS ***
    Dealt to BOROVICH05 [9s 9d]
    BOROVICH05 - Raises $8 to $8
    CASHMORGAN - Folds
    IAMMAVERICK - Calls $8
    HOTSEAMS - Folds
    TONYATA - Folds
    *** FLOP *** [9c 7h 6s]
    BOROVICH05 - Bets $12
    IAMMAVERICK - Raises $26 to $26
    BOROVICH05 - Calls $14
    *** TURN *** [9c 7h 6s] [3h]
    BOROVICH05 - Checks
    IAMMAVERICK - Bets $50
    BOROVICH05 - Raises $150 to $150
    IAMMAVERICK - Calls $100
    *** RIVER *** [9c 7h 6s 3h] [Kh]
    BOROVICH05 - All-In $192.95
    IAMMAVERICK - Calls $192.95
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    BOROVICH05 - Shows [9s 9d] (Three of a kind, nines)
    IAMMAVERICK - Shows [Ah Qh] (Flush, ace high)
    IAMMAVERICK Collects $753.40 from main pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total Pot($756.90) | Rake ($3) | Jackpot Rake ($0.50)
    Board [9c 7h 6s 3h Kh]
    Seat 1: CASHMORGAN Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 2: IAMMAVERICK (dealer) won Total ($753.40) HI:($753.40) with Flush, ace high [Ah Qh - P:Ah,B:Kh,P:Qh,B:7h,B:3h]
    Seat 3: HOTSEAMS (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 4: TONYATA (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 5: BOROVICH05 HI:lost with Three of a kind, nines [9s 9d - P:9s,P:9d,B:9c,B:Kh,B:7h]
  2. dwbrown7680 dwbrown7680 is offline

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    Apr 18th, 2008 (4/18/2008 12:29pm) in reply to Borovich05

    I don't think you played this badly at all, but of course i'm not the greatest cash player in the world either. You raise, flop top set and play it rather aggressively seemingly to your advantage....if you check river he shoves anyways and I don't think you're folding there either. So no matter what I think you're seeing same result and it's awefully hard to see that flush coming at all....not quite sure what exactly he put you on unless he thought you were being overly aggressive with lesser air? Really the only thing you're fearing is 8,10s as KK is def repopping it pre....just a tough hand, ul, gg, move onto next battle.
  3. Borovich05 Borovich05 is offline

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    Apr 18th, 2008 (4/18/2008 1:14pm) in reply to dwbrown7680

    I'm thinking the same. He's not the type to call an utg raise w/810s in position which is why i thought his range was polarized to the middle pairs (6's to 10's). I didn't think he'd make this move without some type of straight draw to go along with his pair or a set. I think my main mistake might have been on the turn. Given my read would it have made more sense to checkraise allin on the turn, and was I giving him good odds to draw to the flush on the river? I'm definitely shipping on the river if I check to him so that's kind of unavoidable. Thanks for the response.
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  4. Xin Xin is offline

    Orlando, FL
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    Apr 18th, 2008 (4/18/2008 4:11pm) in reply to Borovich05

    Allow me to give another opinion. I think your mistake was on the flop. I like that you made an apparent c-bet, and since your image was aggressive it allowed your opponent to attempt a bluff. Regardless if he was bluffing or not, I almost never slowplay a set with that kind of flop. I'm re-raising here to like $70. If he pushes here, then I'll have to re-evaluate...but seeing that only T8 and 58 are the only hands that have you beat, I'm calling 99% of the time.

    However, you opted to just smooth call, and even though a scare card did not come up, you inadvertently gave him some extra outs. His call is a little questionable still...but I really think you have to re-raise him on the flop.
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