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1/2 PLO hand, tough spot..

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  1. albari albari is offline

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    Jan 2nd, 2009 (1/2/2009 12:15am)

    Full Tilt Poker Game #9809166980: Table Ralph (deep 6) - $1/$2 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 0:41:56 ET - 2009/01/02
    Seat 1: astronova ($0), is sitting out
    Seat 2: the_machine0 ($594.75)
    Seat 3: synthetics ($679.55)
    Seat 4: noblackobama ($223.90)
    Seat 5: albari ($1,149.95)
    Seat 6: Iddy McFiddy ($749.10)
    the_machine0 posts the big blind of $2
    The button is in seat #6
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to albari [Kh 9d Jh 8c]
    synthetics calls $2
    noblackobama folds
    astronova adds $241.40
    albari raises to $8
    Iddy McFiddy folds
    the_machine0 folds
    synthetics raises to $26
    astronova has returned
    albari calls $18
    *** FLOP *** [8d Ts 8s]
    synthetics checks
    albari bets $40
    synthetics calls $40
    *** TURN *** [8d Ts 8s] [Ks]
    synthetics checks
    albari bets $105
    synthetics calls $105
    *** RIVER *** [8d Ts 8s Ks] [5c]
    synthetics checks
    albari has 15 seconds left to act
    albari has requested TIME
    albari bets $185
    synthetics raises to $508.55, and is all in
    albari has 15 seconds left to act
    albari has requested TIME
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  2. nw25th nw25th is offline

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    Jan 2nd, 2009 (1/2/2009 12:20am) in reply to albari

    tough one...looks like cooler time...but I still call...
  3. Stupor_Mundi Stupor_Mundi is offline

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    Jan 2nd, 2009 (1/2/2009 12:23am) in reply to albari

    I set his range here as somewhere in the area of T8, TT, KK, 85, 8AA, 8AA5, something of that nature. Can't really answer it with the information provided as you have given no sense of the player (reads? is he a spew? is he a regular? what has he shown?)

    I'd say if he were a nitty regular, KK is the most likely hand, it seems to fit his line. I would have a hard time putting him on TT here, as it's just not a limp raising hand. If I had to choose in this situation, it's a very marginal fold as 8AAT or 8AA5 are just as feasible.

    In any other situation, this goes from a marginal fold to a snap call, as all the hands I quoted earlier along with AA flushes and other garbage connecting 8s come into play. I am not folding this hand in a lot of situations at 1/2.
  4. bombtrack311 bombtrack311 is offline

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    Jan 2nd, 2009 (1/2/2009 12:25am) in reply to albari

    I think this is a call...

    TTxx would raise flop for value with stacks being so deep?

    KKxx maybe? unlikely though, you have one of the K's..

    55XsXs is a possibility as well, would make sense with the line..

    tough one though...
  5. albari albari is offline

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    Jan 2nd, 2009 (1/2/2009 12:48am) in reply to bombtrack311

    No reads.. first hand i remember playing with the guy.. was playing 7 tables at the time, so no clue how he got his stack

    his hand is never TTxx, hed bet flop this deep always, espec with 2 spades out there to

    extract value from many other hands and to induce raises from flush draws to raise putting him on AAxx
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  6. okstate345 okstate345 is offline

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    Jan 2nd, 2009 (1/2/2009 3:03am) in reply to albari

    ur analysis is fine he either has the case 2 kings or somehow turned t8 or aa8 into bluffs tbh i dont know how you can fold i mean plo is a variance fest i dont know how he plays but its like the case 2 kings are all that beats u i mean dont really know what u can do. this is why u need twice as much money to play 1/2 plo than 1/2 nl and any limit above or below because its such a variance fest
     
  7. cmkpics cmkpics is offline

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    Jan 2nd, 2009 (1/2/2009 3:17am) in reply to okstate345

    this is a profitable call..esp. with the line you decided to take
  8. rustyville rustyville is offline

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    Jan 2nd, 2009 (1/2/2009 3:18am) in reply to okstate345

    Curious to see the outcome, results?
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    Jan 2nd, 2009 (1/2/2009 3:28am) in reply to rustyville

    id call here, But my feeling is THAT YOU ARE BEAT (cooler time)....
  10. Duffy08 Duffy08 is offline

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    Jan 2nd, 2009 (1/2/2009 5:34am) in reply to albari

    don't bet turn unless you think he is someone that can potentially stack on the river with worse...

    or don't bet turn unless you have an image of 3 barreling less than nut hands and will be paid off on the river with worse
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  11. aad aad is offline

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    Jan 2nd, 2009 (1/2/2009 10:34am) in reply to albari

    don't bet the turn. You might be losing value here but at least you'll be able to cheaply call villains river bet.
  12. albari albari is offline

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    Jan 2nd, 2009 (1/2/2009 12:05pm) in reply to aad

    I play pretty super aggro at these tables, so losing value in hands is a bad idea.. with the way I play my other hands, checking behind this turn is not possible.. I need to be extracting value, and I am in position so can reevaluate river if he decides to lead into me.

    Oh, and thanks to ShAAAArk for posting here, calling me a various number of names, lol.

    Very mature, you might be even more worthless of a human being than I initially though, congratulations on that.

    I'll post the results at the end of the day, just wanna get some more replies.
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  13. swd805 swd805 is offline

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    Jan 2nd, 2009 (1/2/2009 8:25pm) in reply to albari

    with ur image he could be either running some stupid bluff (cuz u could easily be 3 barrelling a weak hand)

    or hes valueshoving with TTxx which seems likely because he limped pre and would likely raise KKxx and u have one K for card elminination

    anyways I suck at PLO (as u know) but these are my thoughts.
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    Jan 3rd, 2009 (1/3/2009 5:12pm) in reply to albari

    did u call?
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    Jan 3rd, 2009 (1/3/2009 6:04pm) in reply to albari

    Results? I am coming more and more to the position that you had the best hand.
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    Jan 3rd, 2009 (1/3/2009 6:14pm) in reply to Stupor_Mundi

    i def call here....

    and once ur cards get insta mucked you can throw your mouse

    but this is a def call...
  17. Duffy08 Duffy08 is offline

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    Jan 3rd, 2009 (1/3/2009 6:33pm) in reply to danimsta

     
    Originally Posted by danimsta View Post

    i def call here....

    and once ur cards get insta mucked you can throw your mouse

    but this is a def call...

    meh, disagree unless this player is a fish that overvalues hands oop in monster deep pots...

    or is ballzy/crafty enough to shove here with worse.

    looks a lot like 1010AA double suited

    also think you guys need a lot of prior history vs each other for this to be a call as played
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  18. stayhighlowe stayhighlowe is offline

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    Jan 3rd, 2009 (1/3/2009 6:45pm) in reply to Duffy08

    real interesting spot, but i dont think its 1010, prob more likely its kk, either way i think i have to call here,
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    Jan 3rd, 2009 (1/3/2009 6:47pm) in reply to albari

    Shyep, history or idiocy necessary for call here (idiocy on villians part).

    This is a fold against your average 1/2 reg unless you have been manhandling him or something that would cause him to lose his mind.
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    Jan 3rd, 2009 (1/3/2009 8:53pm) in reply to stayhighlowe

     
    Originally Posted by stayhighlowe View Post

    real interesting spot, but i dont think its 1010, prob more likely its kk, either way i think i have to call here,

    someone should figure out how often we need to be right here to make this call profitable based on pot odds.
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  21. stayhighlowe stayhighlowe is offline

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    Jan 4th, 2009 (1/4/2009 1:34pm) in reply to Duffy08

    muh too lazy to add up the numbers but hes has to be gettin 2 to 1 on the call, and ive played a little bit of 1/2 plo and if def seen marginal hands be good in these spots, but i wont question u duffy.....
  22. albari albari is offline

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    Jan 4th, 2009 (1/4/2009 2:11pm) in reply to Duffy08

     
    Originally Posted by Duffy08 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by danimsta View Post

    i def call here....

    and once ur cards get insta mucked you can throw your mouse

    but this is a def call...

    meh, disagree unless this player is a fish that overvalues hands oop in monster deep pots...

    or is ballzy/crafty enough to shove here with worse.

    looks a lot like 1010AA double suited

    also think you guys need a lot of prior history vs each other for this to be a call as played

    I totally 100% disagree that this is ever TTAA.. there is literally no chance, and people dont just 3 bet AAxx in plo, when we're as deep as our stacks were most of the decent players will be 3 betting a wider range

    Results: He had 99Jx for a pair of 9s
    I time banked down to 4 seconds, mostly cause of the number of tables i was playing, but the mroe and more i think about this hand the more and more I think its never ever a fold
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  23. cbolt21 cbolt21 is offline

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    Jan 5th, 2009 (1/5/2009 6:26am) in reply to albari

    yeah you are beat here, classic tens full in my opinion. but, i think the way hand is played and how you said you were aggro, I would have to make this call and then puke. i cant lay down hands in this spot.
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