[pnkranger]

10 to 15 bbs is probably the toughest stack size for me to play. Any less, and I feel very confident in my shoving range and position. Any more chips, and I am still playing pretty standard and feeling comfortable while looking for more opportunities to re-steal.

However, in the 10 to 15 bbs level, I often find myself raise-calling or raise-folding when I feel I should have put the pressure on my opponent by shoving and given myself the opportunity to win without showdown.

A sample hand:

Chip stack: 50K

Blinds: 2000/4000 ante: 200

Folded to me in hi-jack

Pot is 7800

My standard raise is about 10K

I had raised from this position at least twice before without showing down, but the button and sb were getting short (40K) and had been waiting patiently for a hand. The bb was a bigger stack (120K+) but had been relatively tight.

What�s the proper play? Raise, call shove? Shove? Raise, fold?

I think I know what the optimum play is but I�d like some feedback

[areaman]

i think it depends on your holdings

my personal feelings are that with the button, you have a lot of time to wait for a decent hand.

i think id push with 77+ k/10+
i think id raise with 22+ and 9/10+

[pnkranger]

That's why I gave the sample hand...

I believe that is the fundamental question I am asking. What holdings/position at this blind level are +ev for shoving, raise/calling, and raise/folding.

[pnkranger]

bump...

No responses? Interesting.

[Bucksworth]

isn't 10-15bbs almost always shove-fold mode?? i'd never raise-fold with 15bbs or under...? maybe its my leak :P

[mhoddi]

Really hard to answer without seeing how the table is playing. If I'd been open raising a fair amount already and laying down to reraises, I'd bet 2.2x's or so with monsters and hope they'd expect to do the same. If I'd been very active and had to show down marginal hands like JQ, etc... I'd push 10-12 BB's with my monster assuming the BB has a huge stack like in your example above.

The more I think about it actually, I don't even know if the response I gave above is totally true as it really does depend totally on my feel for the table, what I think their perception of me is, how close are you to bubble, is it post bubble, etc. It would be a lot easier to answer an exact HH, rather just just a given example with no hole cards, as ranges for me totally depend on a lot of the factors I listed above.