7/8 - 7/20 = (12 days)

Played: 450
Avg. Played per Day 37.5
Invested: ($27,000.00)
Returned: $29,502.00
Total Profit: $ 2,502.00
Avg. Daily Profit: $ 208.50
Avg. Weekly Profit: $ 1,459.50
Avg. Monthly Profit: $ 6,255.00 (pro-rated)
Profit Per SnG: $5.56
ROI: + 9.27%
Hourly Rate: $50.04 (*approx. 50 hours invested)
Best Set of 10: + $708.00
Worst Set of 10: ($501.00)
Largest Positive Variance: + 41 buy-ins
Largest Negative Variance: - 17 buy-ins
ITM: 177/450 = 39.33%
1st: 65
2nd: 47
3rd: 65
xxx: 273

Well, the sample size is a tad larger this time around, so I'm a little more confident about the numbers I'm seeing. The heads-up numbers have finally started improving, but I honestly can't find any difference in the way I was playing heads-up when the numbers were reversed. The bottom line: I'm thrilled at the hourly rate I'm seeing. It's peanuts to some of the Big Dogs, but awesome money for me.

I tried 8-tabling for the first part of this exercise, but got extremely bored with it. So I moved up to 10-tabling and feel more comfortable now.

Feel free to post your comments or ask any questions you like, and I'll try my best to answer them as prudently as I can. I realize some may be skeptical when viewing statistics of this nature, so I invite you to confirm the above information by using a results tracking site of your choice.

I will post again when I have completed around 700.

David Huber
(dhubermex)

I am always amazed at people who make a profit muti-tabling...how in the hell can you remember players tendancies and previous hands with TEN tables? Wouldnt it be better to play ONE $1000 sng?

David,

What type of set up do you have insofaras screen size, resolution, resizing of tables, over lapping, ect.

Thanks

"because it's monetarily insignificant what happens (as long as I'm playing my best) in one, two, or ten tournaments, and this allows me to play more effectively on the Bubble."

This, my friends, is how you know when you are playing at the right limits.

a) You are not transfixed by the limits/buy-in (starstruck, if you will), and are simply trying to play your best game.

b) If you don't have any good results right away, you won't be busto from a normal downswing.

Haha... this is funny... I was just talking to Seykota about the same thing... Every single time dhuber posts his stats I think to myself "wow, that isnt a huge ROI (no offense dhuber, cuz you're playing a ton of tables) yet he still has a HUGE hourly rate... I could do this!" and I get inspired to give it a try... yet for some reaon i haven't done it... Nevertheless, your commitment is amazing dhuber, keep it up!

yeah some impressive stats... 10% roi is v reasonable at this 60$ level... but tot hink 10 at a time, wow. v nice hrly rate.

1 thought: get say 1 month of full time job at 10 -table the sng. then try say 7 tables for say 1 week see what happens to the ROI and hrly rate; then try 12 for one week...

you can tweek what you do long term based on such experiments.

2k over what 12 days and 50 hrs work is v nice. good job!

--tc

im doing it right now, although at the 6.50$ level.

I think im playing optimally - but how the hell can i know????

good work Huber, very impressive and inspiring

I tried looking but didn't find it yet if it's been posted. But do you have your ROI & number of games played for each level? I think you mentioned you started with the $6.50's, right?

Neophyte,

This (in my opinion) is an issue that will eventually become a highly-controversial topic within months as more & more experienced multi-tablers begin to have their own revelations about bubble-play.

When you play thousands upon thousands of Sit & Go's (and have a long-term positive expectation in them), long-term ROI expectation takes precedent over short-term ROI expectation. ICM numbers are a wonderful tool for SnG players to use... and the beauty about ICM is that the "mathematical" part of the equation is useless without a player's input in the form of "ability". If a player miscalculates "range", then the numbers are useless (or worse, misleading).

As far as SnG Power Tools go... I would advise (even plead with) any up & coming player to attempt to find THEIR OWN answers when it comes to bubble-play and general-play. There are numerous generic "styles" that can give a particular player positive (or negative) overall expectation. The most-logical conclusion one can draw from that fact is that the deciding factor in determining an idividual's fate at the tables is still "skill". USE any tools & programs you feel comfortable with... JOIN websites & forums that you feel are relevant to your needs... SEEK advice from friends & colleagues whom you trust. But... most of all, never forget that the road to MAXIMIZING your expectation inevitably passes through YOU!

To my knowledge, there are four very high-quality online instructional sites available to a player. As an experiment, take two random players (for this example, let's use two "novice" players). Let's assume they make use of all the information available. Do you really think both would automatically have a similar expectation after studying & devouring the info? Or would you realize that the player who is "better" at a wider range of skills (discipline, humility, bankroll management, making reads, avoiding distractions, adapting, not playing when tired/upset, etc.) would eventually surpass his counterpart; no matter how many times the other guy invoked the sacred scriptures of his sources (which he may be misinterpreting to begin with)? Refer to this example for all helpful programs, tools, sites, forums, and advice... and you come to a universal truth: YOU still gotta put in the work to make it all come together!

Now, about Bubble-Play in my specific situation (in reference to CALLING), let's consider a couple of situations:

(a) You're 4-handed and on-the-button in a $60 Turbo, and look down at a couple of rags. Blinds are 400/800 w/50 Ante. UTG has 6,800 chips, you (button) have 800 chips, Small Blind has 2,300 chips + 400 committed to SB, and Big Blind has 2,200 chips + 800 committed to BB. UTG promptly pushes all-in (of course) and you're sitting there with some BS hand. Now, I'm not going to ramble on about "correct" & "incorrect"... but can you envision a scenario (in some cases) where you just might CALL with ANY TWO here? Can you conclude that, using other "skills", namely having a firm understanding of your opponents' tendencies, could lead to a "mathematically correct" CALL? Think about this one and anyone is welcome to provide his/her opinion.

(b) You're 5-handed with a below-average stack in a $60 Turbo SnG on PokerStars, and the blinds are already 300/600 w/25 ante. There are a couple of players at your tables whom you consistently play against and know are not afraid to push with whatever. Your other two opponents aren't all that well-known to you, but they're only playing one or two tables. You're in the Big Blind with 600 of your total 2,200 chips already committed, leaving you with 1,800. And what do ya' know... you pick up 76o (w00t) in the Big Blind. The action is folded around to the Small Blind (who is one of those guys who consistently plays at this level and is capable of pushing with any two cards). He promptly goes all-in and has you covered.

Haha... now i KNOW YOU wouldn't call here, huh? Once again, I'm not going to ramble on about "correct" & "incorrect"... but can you envision a scenario (in some cases) where you just might CALL your pal down here in order to get a message across? After all, if you're playing the amount I'm playing, you'll be seeing his ugly mug in at least half of the 1,000+ SnG's you play per month. Would you be willing to "give up" perhaps as much as 10% short-term ROI expectation (equivalent to $6.00 in this specific situation) for a once-in-a-while opportunity to communicate a (positive expectation) message that you're not folding?

If you do something similar to this 3 times over a span of 1,000 SnG's (thus, giving up $18.00 in expectation), could you see yourself gaining .1% in overall ROI expectation due to those 3 calls (you better believe those guys are paying attention to what "the dumb-ass donk" will call them down with), and boosting your expectation over that same span of 1,000 SnG's (but only applying that number in 997 of them) by $59.82? $59.82 - $18 = $41.82 profit! Now, that's a very, very over-simplified way of putting it; and the numbers fluctuate constantly but... can you conclue that, using other "skills", namely realizing that your table consists of players whom you'll be seeing time & time again, could lead to a "mathematically correct" CALL here? Think about this one and anyone is welcome to provide his/her opinion.

I want to stress that I do not consider my opinions to be correct or incorrect, but rather that I am experimenting with MY OWN capabilities, mostly through trial and error, to arrive at conclustions that make sense to ME. This is the beauty of poker, of having an adequate bankroll to not only support your triumphs, but also your inevitable bone-headed mistakes, and NOT accepting every !@#&* thing someone offers as advice. In my personal situation, do you think I would (or more importantly, should) mind "donking off" 10% in expectation 3 times out of 1,000 in exchange for .1% expectation 997 times out of 1,000? Who could afford to miss that opportunity? But then again, if you don't have anywhere near an adequate bankroll for the buy-in level you're playing at, you'd be a fool to make this "long-term" sacrifice since you won't be around for the long-term anyway.

Hope this answers the question,

David Huber
(dhubermex)

great stats man, we play alot together and i trully respect your game.
see ya on the tables. gluck.

ps-check your PM.

Thanks for posting these, Dhuber. As always good luck, good luck.

I'm bumping just in case someone missed this thread and would like to comment on the posts below.

Are you using pokertracker or something to keep up with all the stats.
great work!

just so you know, that's a laughable sample size... you're gonna need at least 2000 to find out if you are a winner... VARIANCE!

yo dhuber, i been 8-tabling $60 turbos for about 5 months; been posting up some pretty solid results, but when do you think someone should take the next leap to the $114's? Also when do you plan to take the leap?