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  1. What does one do here optimally? And no im not folding pre ever here.

    Full Tilt Poker Game #18115495994: Table Adrenaline - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 2:58:51 ET - 2010/02/02
    Seat 1: KTDKY ($104.05)
    Seat 2: henri177 ($38.20)
    Seat 3: Copenwood ($96)
    Seat 4: L _ Morningstar ($125.30)
    Seat 5: TheBaStAn ($83.20)
    Seat 6: AFink93 ($185.70)
    Seat 7: Elli_V1 ($104.40)
    Seat 8: c3events ($38.30)
    Seat 9: Allways Bluffs ($114.60)
    Allways Bluffs posts the small blind of $0.50
    KTDKY posts the big blind of $1
    The button is in seat #8
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to AFink93 [8d Jd]
    henri177 folds
    Copenwood folds
    L _ Morningstar raises to $3.50
    TheBaStAn folds
    AFink93 calls $3.50
    Elli_V1 folds
    c3events folds
    Allways Bluffs calls $3
    KTDKY folds
    *** FLOP *** [2d 8s 3d]
    Allways Bluffs checks
    L _ Morningstar bets $9
    AFink93?
  2. honestly if ur asking this question u should fold pre
     
  3. I just wanted to get some opinions thats all.. I guess you dont want to contribute. What a shock.. I figured I had a few options being so deep and all.. I could have called and peeled a turn. I could have just folded. I didnt have HUD going at the time so I wasnt sure about villians history.. Or I could have done what I did.. Bet Pot Raise with intent of getting it in..
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  4. i'm 3betting with an intention to call a shove

    but that's why rush poker rapes me
  5.  
    Originally Posted by random.chu View Post

    i'm 3betting with an intention to call a shove

    but that's why rush poker rapes me

    thatd be sick lmk how that works

    this thread has real potential
     
  6.  
    Originally Posted by AFink93 View Post

    I just wanted to get some opinions thats all.. I guess you dont want to contribute. What a shock.. I figured I had a few options being so deep and all.. I could have called and peeled a turn. I could have just folded. I didnt have HUD going at the time so I wasnt sure about villians history.. Or I could have done what I did.. Bet Pot Raise with intent of getting it in..

    If you are folding this flop why are you calling pre with that hand?
  7. high five the monitor and get it in there
     
  8. i have the feeling you lose a lot of money in spots like this .. im curious as to what you do on JT3 boards or 862 boards .. i havnt played rush at all but from what ive heard arent peoples ranges a little tighter .. especially EP raisers? kind of bothers me that you say you are never folding this hand .. this has to be a huge leak in your game .. but as played im raising>calling but i guess calling isn't that bad .. I just like folding out unpaired overs and taking pots down on the flop with decent sized stacks . i prob make a larger raise to 31ish forcing him to shove or fold as long as u have the intention of getting it in on the flop .. but again i havnt played rush
  9.  
    Originally Posted by norcalonica View Post

    high five the monitor and get it in there

    QFT
  10.  
    Originally Posted by DoubleS00ted View Post

    If you are folding this flop why are you calling pre with that hand?

    I really didnt have any intention of folding. I didnt think it was a standard spot being it was 120 bigs or so deep effective. I just wanted to know in a cash game spot what was the optimal play in everyones mind.

    I won the hand. So its not a results oriented or bad beat post or anything like that.. I bet pot and he shoved and I snap called and he tabled like 68 or something sick like that and It held..

    Thanks to the great Funnygut for appearing in my thread.
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  11.  
    Originally Posted by Etrain99 View Post

    i have the feeling you lose a lot of money in spots like this .. im curious as to what you do on JT3 boards or 862 boards .. i havnt played rush at all but from what ive heard arent peoples ranges a little tighter .. especially EP raisers? kind of bothers me that you say you are never folding this hand .. this has to be a huge leak in your game .. but as played im raising>calling but i guess calling isn't that bad .. I just like folding out unpaired overs and taking pots down on the flop with decent sized stacks . i prob make a larger raise to 31ish forcing him to shove or fold as long as u have the intention of getting it in on the flop .. but again i havnt played rush

    I never claimed to be good or anything.. When im sitting on good stack and a good stack raises me and I can take a flop in position on him. I will call with hands on the bottom of my range. It maybe a leak of mine.. But thats just how Im gonna play.. I mean if he had 40 bucks and he raised from EP. Im tossing j8 quickly.
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  12. there is nothing wrong with calling with j8s in position here, but u have to be very aware of what ur doing. Without reads(given that its rush), i think ur flinging poo by flatting here
     
  13.  
    Originally Posted by skanky980 View Post

    there is nothing wrong with calling with j8s in position here, but u have to be very aware of what ur doing. Without reads(given that its rush), i think ur flinging poo by flatting here

    this statement is so contradicting it hurts my head
    (fwiw i think we are formulating the same basic conclusion)
  14.  
    Originally Posted by AFink93 View Post


    I won the hand. So its not a results oriented or bad beat post or anything like that.. I bet pot and he shoved and I snap called and he tabled like 68 or something sick like that and It held..

    this does not sound optimal...start by calling and then re-eval the turn.

    Edit: i read HH wrong didnt see u had a FD...get it in.
  15.  
    Originally Posted by Etrain99 View Post

    this statement is so contradicting it hurts my

    (fwiw i think we are formulating the same basic conclusion)

    i said flatting is fine if u know what ur doing(ie gameflow, reads, timing tells), but if u dont, which is likely given its rush, then flatting is a leak.
     
  16.  
    Originally Posted by skanky980 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Etrain99 View Post

    this statement is so contradicting it hurts my

    (fwiw i think we are formulating the same basic conclusion)

    i said flatting is fine if u know what ur doing(ie gameflow, reads, timing tells), but if u dont, which is likely given its rush, then flatting is a leak.

    This.
  17.  
    Originally Posted by skanky980 View Post

    i said flatting is fine if u know what ur doing(ie gameflow, reads, timing tells), but if u dont, which is likely given its rush, then flatting is a leak.

    yea i know what you meant i was just being stupid .. i said the same thing earlier in the thread so we are on the same page
  18.  
    Originally Posted by random.chu View Post

    i'm 3betting with an intention to call a shove

    but that's why rush poker rapes me

    hard to 3-bet in a single bet pot when the actions on u
     
  19.  
    Originally Posted by Appst08 View Post

    hard to 3-bet in a single bet pot when the actions on u

    2nd tho
     
  20. Lol @ "I'm never folding pre here" and thinking about anything on that flop. RR, call shove. Also, why are you never folding pre here? You can maybe reraise pre if you're so inclined but flatting in rush where you have no reads on or history with your opponent is pretty lol.
  21.  
    Originally Posted by skanky980 View Post

    honestly if ur asking this question u should fold pre

    why?
     3
  22. level?
     
  23. i 3 bet here all day...

    AT best he has an over pair..No way he has a set.

    You a Favorite against an Overpair...

    I get it all in here if i can ALL DAY LONG!
  24. A BIGGEER QUESTION for me:

    what do u do on a board of 8s xh xc

    ????
  25.  
    Originally Posted by MookMonster View Post

    A BIGGEER QUESTION for me:

    what do u do on a board of 8s xh xc

    ????

    flat flop, reeval turn
  26. lo @ cvillain having 68, i need to find that guy. flat flop if you don't lik emoney, raise/call shove if you like money.
  27. fold pre
     
  28. 3bet or fold pre

    i like flatting the flop
  29.  
    Originally Posted by JMcKW View Post


    3bet or fold pre

    i like flatting the flop

    Building a pot with J8 and no reads < calling in position with J8 and no reads.

    as others have mentioned, fold pre. as played raise to 30, shove over any stupid 3-bet and OBV call any shove
  30. pre is lol

    why raise the flop, we get more value by flatting.

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