I'm just curious how people play this spot. Final two tables. I'm in 4th with 16 left but 77k at 2k 4k is a solid stack but as soon as it gets to 3k/6k I won't feel comfortable with my stack anymore. The big stack, kuparinen, had been raising a ton on the bubble at another table and although he wasn't raising that much after the bubble burst, he's still a humungostack with 16 left. I'm not saying he's going to be raising any two in late position but definitely a wide range of hands. Also from what he's shown, he's not some donk who's going to look me up with A4o or something like that.

Now here's the HH:

okerStars Game #9803766996: Tournament #49446869, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (2000/4000) - 2007/05/07 - 23:54:42 (ET)
Table '49446869 2' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: gstructure (51459 in chips)
Seat 2: Braisss (56590 in chips)
Seat 3: legrouzin (42393 in chips)
Seat 4: kuparinen (237402 in chips)
Seat 5: x2then (72606 in chips)
Seat 6: Daut44 (53514 in chips)
Seat 7: Roothlus (77195 in chips)
Seat 9: ael1979 (59940 in chips)
gstructure: posts the ante 200
Braisss: posts the ante 200
legrouzin: posts the ante 200
kuparinen: posts the ante 200
x2then: posts the ante 200
Daut44: posts the ante 200
Roothlus: posts the ante 200
ael1979: posts the ante 200
Daut44: posts small blind 2000
Roothlus: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Roothlus [6d 8d]
ael1979: folds
gstructure: folds
Braisss: folds
legrouzin: folds
kuparinen: raises 8000 to 12000
x2then: folds
Daut44: folds
Roothlus:

Is a reshove worth it here or should I just fold and pick a better spot?

I think I would pick a better spot just because hes obv running good to have that chip lead and could be easily holding a hand big enough to call your 12ish BB push. I just dont like reshoving on table captains as a general rule because I tend to pick bad spots and they have a hand. Im no expert at all but I would pick a better spot.

deuce

Sounds like he has tightened up and is not raising as wild as before. You are good enough to fold this and pick a better spot.

Having said that, the pot is 1/5 your current stack... if you do make a resteal attempt this is the perfect hand to do it with. And you still have fold equity.

Honestly, this just comes down to your gut feeling. If you believe he's out of line and raising too often, but solid enough to fold, I shove here quite often. However, if you think he has tightened up and may be a bit more selective in his holdings, I'd vouch for folding.

I'm sure you've already thought about those two opinions being that you're a tremendous player, but I'm quite interested to see what you ultimately did and what your final logic was behind your play being that this is no ABC situation.

Edit: After thinking about this a little more, I would fold. This guy has way too many chips and his calling range may be HUGE if he gets any feeling that you're restealing. You have plenty of chips to fold and use your expertise to play a medium/small stack to utlimately make the final table.

because 8 high doesn't fare well against your opponents range which usually consists of all hands better than 8 high.

yeah rooth i was watching this thing go down and IMO i didnt think hes was folding much here.he also had showed down a few big hands and was on sort of a heater so with hes stack and the raise he put in i dont think hes ever folding in this spot.

eddie24b

SCARED! wtf does that mean in other words you mean smart.there was no way hes folding period so if your SMART you fold 8 fing high if your not SCARED then you push 8 high and gg

eddie24b

Take some time then min raise and push flop.

I suck though.

Hey Roothlus... i love this situation, but for me to answer it i need some additional information...

1. Was CL playing a ton of pots? His range of hands played?
2. Likelyness of him reshoving to a reraise?
3. What's your table image been so far? And if its tight are you willing to sacrifice that image at this point?
4. If you were to reshove for lets say 34,500 and he reshoves you all in... are you willing to put all the chips in the middle in a position where you know your probably dominated?
5. How long until the blinds increase?

Granted i'm pretty sure you've probably got 2 live cards in this situation, and in all honesty i like the reshove... however i don't like the fact he can shove any two cards and still probably be a 60/40 favorite against these two cards. SHOULD YOU DECIDE TO PLAY THIS HAND... This is one decision where you clearly must win a 60/40 in order to win the tournament. I think if you choose to repop the pot to 34,500 or whatever... your literally committing the remainer of your chips regardless.

Devils advocate - your in 4th place right now, so you can allow the other stacks to get a bit more desperate and make some looser calls. You can always wait for a better spot to get your chips in the middle.

I guess this is one inflection point of your tournament where you must make a conscience decision to absolutely play to win or play to move up and cash higher. This is entirely player dependant... however to play to win... i'm probably reshoving here 70% of the time and taking my chances.

yeah Aj i see your pionts and i know top players love shoving in certain spots they pick to be good.i do believe a play like this works sometimes either hitting or not getting called. my thing is i was watching and the guyed show some good hands downs.that is the one reason i dont think it a good play here and the fact i dont think he is folding A8 KQ or better ever in this spot.

eddie24b

LOOOOL he makes a good pt.

fold.

lol @sc, I guess calling all ins for 20 BBs in multi way pots is more standard.

what would u do with a small pocket pair in the same situation????????

The more i think about it... the more i like the AI here. With a solid image, you put him to a decision that will, granted it won't hurt his stack likely, but should he lose this race he gives up being CL. In addition to the reshove, his odds for calling are about 1.8/1 which should have him laying down more than a few marginal hands.

I'm very curious to see how this played out.