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$100R - leaving before first hour?

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  1. dapfunkera dapfunkera is offline

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    Sep 18th, 2009 (9/18/2009 11:55pm)

    I have been in the mindset that you generally do not leave rebuys before the first break, but in a discussion with some other people they argue if the table is ultra hard then it makes sense to just not rebuy if you bust before the add-on period. Is this a view that other hold as well? I haven't played a $100R in a while, but I always assumed the table was going to be pretty rough for the most part. Is there logic in the argument if your table is stacked worse than normal than its better to just quit early rather than fight against a losing battle?
     
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    Sep 18th, 2009 (9/18/2009 11:59pm) in reply to dapfunkera

    seeing as 99% of the players cant beat the 100r i would say just clicking register is a loosing battle. better off playing the nightly 100ks, the 109s and million/warmup ect
     
  3. dapfunkera dapfunkera is offline

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    Sep 19th, 2009 (9/19/2009 12:02am) in reply to ntanygd760

    the assumption is we are talking about someone who routinely plays it and does well
     
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  4. Believer82 Believer82 is online now

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    Sep 19th, 2009 (9/19/2009 12:03am) in reply to dapfunkera

    nope never leave only noobs do that
     
  5. ntanygd760 ntanygd760 is offline

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    Sep 19th, 2009 (9/19/2009 12:12am) in reply to Believer82

     
    Originally Posted by Believer82 View Post

    nope never leave only noobs do that

    i defer to the player who can actually beat more than $4 180s
     
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    Sep 19th, 2009 (9/19/2009 12:18am) in reply to ntanygd760

    if ur thinking of leaving before addon i suggest just not playing
     
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    Sep 19th, 2009 (9/19/2009 12:25am) in reply to dapfunkera

    this is an awesome idea- and tell your friends the same thing- 1bullet ftw bc all tables are soso hard
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    Sep 19th, 2009 (9/19/2009 12:28am) in reply to siola

    I am 100% in the camp that you don't leave early, but the person who is arguing about leaving early does have the results to at least make me listen to his argument. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't going crazy thinking everyone changed their thinking regarding the rebuy hour.
     
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    Sep 19th, 2009 (9/19/2009 12:35am) in reply to R_Webb18

     
    Originally Posted by R_Webb18 View Post

    if ur thinking of leaving before addon i suggest just not playing

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    Sep 19th, 2009 (9/19/2009 1:24am) in reply to dapfunkera

    if you are tilted sure quit out early but not cus the table
     
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    Sep 19th, 2009 (9/19/2009 1:46am) in reply to dapfunkera

    If you consider leaving before the end of the rebuy period in any +R MTT, whether it's the $3+R or $215+R...you are not properly rolled for the tournament. That goes for not adding on as well.

    And for the record I only occasionally play a $109+R...
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    Sep 19th, 2009 (9/19/2009 1:59am) in reply to dapfunkera

    play early 100r. problem solved. Too early for majority of lazy west coasters and perfect time for spewy bazillians (and euros. after the last thread about euros being bad, we can't forget euros.)
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    Sep 19th, 2009 (9/19/2009 5:05am) in reply to IbizaCF3

    was trying to post from Iphone and failed. What I wanted to post was that i seem to see a lot of regs bustout before the addon in various rebuys so it got me wondering when to call it quits in rebuys.
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    Sep 19th, 2009 (9/19/2009 10:06am) in reply to whitespur

     
    Originally Posted by whitespur View Post

    If you consider leaving before the end of the rebuy period in any +R MTT, whether it's the $3+R or $215+R...you are not properly rolled for the tournament. That goes for not adding on as well.

    And for the record I only occasionally play a $109+R...

    this has absolutely nothing to do with it
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    Sep 19th, 2009 (9/19/2009 10:07am) in reply to swd805

     
    Originally Posted by swd805 View Post

    was trying to post from Iphone

    sick brag
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    Sep 19th, 2009 (9/19/2009 10:58am) in reply to dapfunkera

    The only time I have left before rebuy period has ended has been either I f'd up and timed out for a rebuy or i just didn't feel like playing anymore and knew i wouldn't be playing my A game.
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    Sep 19th, 2009 (9/19/2009 11:32am) in reply to threeven

    THAT
     
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    Sep 19th, 2009 (9/19/2009 11:53am) in reply to swd805

    I cant concieve of a table hard enough that I wouldnt want to rebuy. If you are a reg with a good set of skills you just never have small enough chance to win that you should just quit if you already registered. Stopping the rebuys is the only way you can assure yourself you wont win.
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    Sep 19th, 2009 (9/19/2009 12:24pm) in reply to vats12

     
    Originally Posted by vats12 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by whitespur View Post

    If you consider leaving before the end of the rebuy period in any +R MTT, whether it's the $3+R or $215+R...you are not properly rolled for the tournament. That goes for not adding on as well.

    And for the record I only occasionally play a $109+R...

    this has absolutely nothing to do with it

    This has everything to do with it......explain to me in what other situation it would be logical to leave a rebuy when you have $ already invested?

    When the table is too tough? When you're scared of your opponents? Please...
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    Sep 19th, 2009 (9/19/2009 12:29pm) in reply to whitespur

     
    Originally Posted by whitespur View Post

    This has everything to do with it......explain to me in what other situation it would be logical to leave a rebuy when you have $ already invested?

    When the table is too tough? When you're scared of your opponents? Please...

    I think the point thats trying to be made is along the lines of if u bust like 2 mins before the rebuy period ends and u have say the top5 ranked players at ur 6max table who are all sitting with say 11k+ then it may be -ev to rebuy to a starting stack at this point.

    (not saying i agree just playing devils advocate)

    its def not about bankroll, obv if ur not rolled dont play.
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    Sep 19th, 2009 (9/19/2009 12:43pm) in reply to ntanygd760

     
    Originally Posted by ntanygd760 View Post

    i defer to the player who can actually beat more than $4 180s

    So what are u tryin to say?
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    Sep 19th, 2009 (9/19/2009 12:49pm) in reply to swd805

     
    Originally Posted by swd805 View Post

    was trying to post from Iphone and failed. What I wanted to post was that i seem to see a lot of regs bustout before the addon in various rebuys so it got me wondering when to call it quits in rebuys.

    i know a couple of people on ftp who have had the auto-rebuy button not work in the past month :x happened to me once.
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    Sep 19th, 2009 (9/19/2009 1:29pm) in reply to vats12

     
    Originally Posted by vats12 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by whitespur View Post

    If you consider leaving before the end of the rebuy period in any +R MTT, whether it's the $3+R or $215+R...you are not properly rolled for the tournament. That goes for not adding on as well.

    And for the record I only occasionally play a $109+R...

    this has absolutely nothing to do with it

    It has ev'thing to do with it!
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  24. jonrubs jonrubs is offline

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    Sep 19th, 2009 (9/19/2009 1:43pm) in reply to ApesAreFun

    THe player in question is me. 1 of my tables was a 6 max 100r with deeb directly behind me and another hs reg behind him. My stars 100r table I recognized everyone as being at least a top 200 PLBer. My edge at this table is pretty miniscule and at that point I would need to either hope to cooler someone, change tables. I just dont believe in taking margainal tournaments and throwing away equity like that.
     
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    Sep 19th, 2009 (9/19/2009 1:46pm) in reply to jonrubs

    and I am 100% properly rolled for it. So thats not even a problem.
     
  26. whitespur whitespur is offline

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    Sep 19th, 2009 (9/19/2009 2:43pm) in reply to jonrubs

     
    Originally Posted by jonrubs View Post

    and I am 100% properly rolled for it. So thats not even a problem.

    Since you are properly rolled for the tournament, and a winning player, then your EV if you stay in the tournament is an unknown number > 0, based on your approximate or assumed ROI and how much you have invested in the tournament.

    If you leave the tournament, your EV is an unknown number < 0. I don't understand why a winning player would conciously choose the -EV alternative, under really any circumstances.

    If some random losing player enters a $100+R and encounters this situation, it's an entirely different ball game. If they have no positive expectation, then it would be correct to cut their losses at a table of strong players.

    We'll leave the argument about whether or not they should have entered in the first place for another day...
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    Sep 19th, 2009 (9/19/2009 2:50pm) in reply to ImaLucSac

     
    Originally Posted by ImaLucSac View Post

    I cant concieve of a table hard enough that I wouldnt want to rebuy. If you are a reg with a good set of skills you just never have small enough chance to win that you should just quit if you already registered. Stopping the rebuys is the only way you can assure yourself you wont win.

    Exactly this...
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    Sep 19th, 2009 (9/19/2009 3:06pm) in reply to whitespur

    so your saying you would register for a 200$ MTT where you are already starting with a chip disadvantage vs 8 other top 200 PLBers?
     
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    Sep 19th, 2009 (9/19/2009 3:18pm) in reply to vats12

    Not to thread Hijack, but what if no one else at your table rebuys in the beginning, do you rebuy? This happened to me in the 10r mini ftops last weekend
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    Sep 19th, 2009 (9/19/2009 3:29pm) in reply to flushdraw09

     
    Originally Posted by flushdraw09 View Post

    Not to thread Hijack, but what if no one else at your table rebuys in the beginning, do you rebuy? This happened to me in the 10r mini ftops last weekend

    yes
     
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