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  1. PJam PJam is offline

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    Mar 7th, 2009 (3/7/2009 2:40pm)

    Full Tilt Poker Game #11015600835: $90,000 Guarantee (80408828), Table 59 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:32:05 ET - 2009/03/07

    Seat 1: PJam_JR (3,645)

    Seat 2: daisyxoxo (1,495)

    Seat 3: Caikev (6,295)

    Seat 4: lucky seven (3,980)

    Seat 5: hafizzle (5,950)

    Seat 6: SYRACUSE CHRIS (3,580)

    daisyxoxo posts the small blind of 20

    Caikev posts the big blind of 40

    The button is in seat #1

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to PJam_JR [Th Ts]

    lucky seven raises to 120

    hafizzle has 15 seconds left to act

    hafizzle folds

    SYRACUSE CHRIS folds

    PJam_JR calls 120

    daisyxoxo folds

    Caikev calls 80

    *** FLOP *** [8s 5s 3c]

    Caikev checks

    lucky seven bets 380

    PJam_JR........
  2. selder1 selder1 is offline

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    Mar 7th, 2009 (3/7/2009 2:45pm) in reply to PJam

    3bet pre, your hand is seriously under-repped. As played I probably just vomit on my keyboard and time out, but if you 3-bet pre, the rest of the hand will be much easier to play.
     
  3. Goal4Ziggy Goal4Ziggy is offline

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    Mar 7th, 2009 (3/7/2009 2:54pm) in reply to PJam

    3-betting pre is bad, you have to fold to a 4-bet and the range that calls or shoves has you crushed. Call the flop and see what he does on the turn, you have enough chips to play some poker here.
  4. awween ftw awween ftw is offline

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    Mar 7th, 2009 (3/7/2009 2:58pm) in reply to PJam

    EZ FOLD
  5. Donnie2005.2 Donnie2005.2 is offline

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    Mar 7th, 2009 (3/7/2009 2:58pm) in reply to PJam

    I like the flat call pre. No real reason to reraise and build a big pot only to have 2 overs hit the flop. Here, I'm raising to 750-825 or so. If he pushes to your reraise I call here, he prob has 2 overs imo
     
  6. trippkirk trippkirk is offline

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    Mar 7th, 2009 (3/7/2009 3:03pm) in reply to PJam

    Flat pre is the only legitimate option. As played I'm probably gonna call here and reevaluate on turn. If he pots again I just fold.
     
  7. Mattraq1 Mattraq1 is offline

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    Mar 7th, 2009 (3/7/2009 3:05pm) in reply to Donnie2005.2

     
    Originally Posted by Donnie2005.2 View Post

    I like the flat call pre. No real reason to reraise and build a big pot only to have 2 overs hit the flop. Here, I'm raising to 750-825 or so. If he pushes to your reraise I call here, he prob has 2 overs imo

    just delete that post b4 anybody reads it...

    he is clearly WB/SA here

    edit: actually 2 overs/FD is not SA, its def SB. So he is never ahead here
  8. selder1 selder1 is offline

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    Mar 7th, 2009 (3/7/2009 3:13pm) in reply to Goal4Ziggy

     
    Originally Posted by Goal4Ziggy View Post


    3-betting pre is bad, you have to fold to a 4-bet and the range that calls or shoves has you crushed. Call the flop and see what he does on the turn, you have enough chips to play some poker here.

    We're really deep here. He's not shoving for 3600 if we 3bet to 360, and if he happens to do that, we only lose a small % of our stack. If we 3-bet and he does call, we have control of the hand and can c-bet the flop to put the decision on him - He has to believe we have 99-AA with that line. I feel like when you flat pre here, you invite one or both of the blinds in and don't define your hand vs. the UTG raiser. Since he opened UTG, he could easily be repping the big overpair when he in fact has 2 overs, or something like 77. As played I probably flat here and see what he does on the turn, yes, but he could put us on something like JTss if we do that, and could continue to fire with AK/77 or something on the turn, where you'd have to fold. I personally like to force the other person to make the difficult decisions but what do I know..?
     
  9. Arizona Bay Arizona Bay is offline

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    Mar 7th, 2009 (3/7/2009 3:24pm) in reply to selder1

    I think a flat pre flop is definitely the best play because we are trying to play a pot with a good hand in position. No need to bloat the pot pre flop or give our opponent the option to 4 bet us off tens here. Even if we are crushed we can make such reads for a relatively small amount post flop and if we do happen to flop a set we can potentially stack an overpair. On the flop I think you can call here hoping he shuts down but if he fires again on the turn it has to be a fold. I know it seems like a weak line but if you are never getting outplayed in this spot you are going to go broke far too often IMO.
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    Mar 7th, 2009 (3/7/2009 3:55pm) in reply to PJam

    This thread has terrible advice in it. Def don't 3 bet pre. On the flop it's def read dependent. If he hasn't gotten out of line yet and you have no other reads you can probably not it up and fold. Idk, I don't hate flatting the flop and folding to a second barrel
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