How do people proceed in this spot after this guys opens 4.25x...........We are 35 to go, 27 make the money.

Stage #41826526 Tourney ID 5092628 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit 1,200 - 2010-02-12 01:24:14.015 (ET) [ 2010-02-12 01:24:14 ]
Table: 8 (Real Money) Seat #6 is the dealer
Seat 6 - MHODDI (27,855 in chips)
Seat 7 - N_FROST_10 (37,279 in chips)
Seat 8 - JKNACK19 (92,523 in chips)
Seat 9 - 6STRINGERMOM (9,922 in chips)
Seat 1 - KCRUSE11 (28,830 in chips)
Seat 2 - ONETIME69 (27,026 in chips)
Seat 3 - TAKEURSTACK (31,591 in chips)
Seat 4 - FLORIDASLIM3 (11,074 in chips)
Seat 5 - IRAISEDUCKS2 (34,100 in chips)
KCRUSE11 - Ante 100
ONETIME69 - Ante 100
TAKEURSTACK - Ante 100
FLORIDASLIM3 - Ante 100
IRAISEDUCKS2 - Ante 100
MHODDI - Ante 100
N_FROST_10 - Ante 100
JKNACK19 - Ante 100
6STRINGERMOM - Ante 100
N_FROST_10 - Posts small blind 600
JKNACK19 - Posts big blind 1,200
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to N_FROST_10 [10s 10c]
6STRINGERMOM - Folds
KCRUSE11 - Folds
ONETIME69 - Folds
TAKEURSTACK - Raises 5,100 to 5,100
FLORIDASLIM3 - Folds
IRAISEDUCKS2 - Folds
MHODDI - Folds (Preselection)
N_FROST_10

I shove. Also, does UB really put it in the HH as 1010?? That's so ugly. It's TT people!

4x = kk

 

Originally Posted by mtstackin88

i wager all of my beebs

 

Originally Posted by nuttedup

looks like the guy just mashed the bet pot button. He's probably terrible. Shove.

 

Originally Posted by Dissident

im just curious does that logic make 99 = NN

yes obv it goes

TT
TT
FF
FF
SS
SS
EE
NN
TT
JJ
QQ
KK
AA

 

Originally Posted by aad

raises 5,100 to 5,100? Shouldn't that be raises 3,900 to 5,100?

Yes that is how they do their HH's and yes they use 1010 instead of TT.

 

Originally Posted by FabulousTexan

I hate TT so much. I never know where I am and there's no such thing as an easy decision.

You've got an M of 13 or so. You've got over 30 BBs. I hate that spot so much. You're neither the big stack that can freely gamble and you're not short stacked to go hyper aggressive and gamble.

I read a piece by Andy Bloch once that TT actually performs better against Top 25% hands than people realize. I'm too lazy to go back and look up the numbers but it's in the FTP Strategy Guide.

That being said, I would give some weight as to how the guy who raised has been playing.

Is this the first hand he's played in a few orbits? Do you get a sense that he's squeezing the bubble looking to cash? If so, you have to give him a range of AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AK, and MAYBE AQ.

Has he been aggressive looking to capitalize on the bubble? There's a good chance that TT is the best hand or at least a coin flip.

1) If you think his range is on the broader side, you can push and you might have some fold equity.

2) If you think he's capable of calling with AK, AQ, AJ you're flipping.

Are you willing to flip a coin here if he has AK, AQ, AJ? It might not be a bad spot in a MTT. Yeah, there's a chance you bubble. But if you win the flip, you're putting yourself in position to go really deep. Long term, that's more valuable than min cashing.

If he's really tight, my spidey sense might tell me I'm behind. But otherwise, I'm willing to flip a coin here if he calls. You have to be willing to gamble to go deep in these things. Of course, looking at your profile, you know this a lot better than I do. LOL

Great analysis I guess but you failed to recognize or put any thought into his opening raise size. And yes of course I am willing to flip a coin here if I have him on AJ-AK.

Also you say "1) If you think his range is on the broader side, you can push and you might have some fold equity." HUH. I have fe with 30 bb's here no matter what. The thing is, what does his open raise mean?

I would have never posted this spot at all, it woulda usually been just a standard spot, but his opening raise size is what made it a different situation.

 

Originally Posted by FabulousTexan

You're right. You are a genius. You know everything and we know nothing.

I apologize for taking the time to post a response. Sorry to be a bother.

LOL geez go hit a bowl or somethen saddle bags. I simply said you didnt take in account the main reason I posted the HH.

And don't say "You know everything and we know nothing." b/c I wasn't referring to anyone but you in that response.

hmmm id prob mash the pot button afap

I think his raise sizing pre only means that he's bad at poker, and it def doesnt narrow his range to JJ+/AK

 

Originally Posted by OneTime_10

Great analysis I guess but you failed to recognize or put any thought into his opening raise size. And yes of course I am willing to flip a coin here if I have him on AJ-AK.

Also you say "1) If you think his range is on the broader side, you can push and you might have some fold equity."HUH. I have fe with 30 bb's here no matter what. The thing is, what does his open raise mean?

I would have never posted this spot at all, it woulda usually been just a standard spot, but his opening raise size is what made it a different situation.

lol it means he hit the bet pot button.

100*9+1800+1200(call) + 2700 (raise) = 5100.

does he always hit the bet pot button? Do you have any reads?

In general, i'd say that someone opening for pot sized bets this late on is OBV inexperienced and a little scared of their holding - unless there is some sort of information that is missing in your OP. I'm gonna shove here and figure he is going to fold. Unfortunately I am goin also going to assume his calling range is pretty tight and has you dominated, but be that as it may I'm still shoving.

Calling sucks, because OR range is weighted towards overs and SB should come along with his stack, so now you are playing OOP with 1.5 pots behind, pretty gross if an over flops. That said I might call if I think SB will try and squeeze; then I could snap him off.

Folding is beyond terrible.

 

Originally Posted by rayspizza

lol it means he hit the bet pot button.

100*9+1800+1200(call) + 2700 (raise) = 5100.

does he always hit the bet pot button? Do you have any reads?

In general, i'd say that someone opening for pot sized bets this late on is OBV inexperienced and a little scared of their holding - unless there is some sort of information that is missing in your OP. I'm gonna shove here and figure he is going to fold. Unfortunately I am goin also going to assume his calling range is pretty tight and has you dominated, but be that as it may I'm still shoving.

Calling sucks, because OR range is weighted towards overs and SB should come along with his stack, so now you are playing OOP with 1.5 pots behind, pretty gross if an over flops. That said I might call if I think SB will try and squeeze; then I could snap him off.

Folding is beyond terrible.

Flatting this size bet oop is worse than folding imo.

 

Originally Posted by OneTime_10

Flatting this size bet oop is worse than folding imo.

Forgive me I meant to say BB, when refering to large stack, in the posts above.

Not if I think BB is capable (and likely) of squeezing here. The only reason i say this, is because BB is deep and can take a 37K loss easy. that opens his squeezing range IMO.

But I as I said, in general (against unknowns) yes flatting is terrible.

 

Originally Posted by BigStack Husker

 

Originally Posted by rayspizza

Forgive me I meant to say BB, when refering to large stack, in the posts above.

Not if I think BB is capable (and likely) of squeezing here. The only reason i say this, is because BB is deep and can take a 37K loss easy. that opens his squeezing range IMO.

But I as I said, in general (against unknowns) yes flatting is terrible.

OP is the SB. You mean BB. Yes I know i am nit picking.

Isn't that what I said, when I corrected my self?

For added clarification:
In my OP I referred to the "SB" as the potential squeezer. That was a mistake I meant to refer to the "BB" as the potential squeezer.