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$10R -- KK -- Very Deepstacked

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  1. ryanb9 ryanb9 is offline

    Corvallis, OR
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    Aug 16th, 2007 (8/16/2007 12:24am)

    Average stack is 12k, Guy who shoved is a decently lag player ... however that probably has little to do with his range of what he's shoving here....<SPAN> </SPAN>And if it helps, OPR says he has 10k winnings and -25% ROI on stars (nlhe mtt's)

    Well, when the action got to me I thought for a while because I wanted to think about their hand ranges and what the best amount for me to bet would be, but then I remembered something from Sklansky’s (sp) nl holdem theory which stated (although about cash games I think MIGHT?? apply here: (and im not quoting)

    <SPAN> </SPAN>If you have a big hand, you should bet one of two ways:
    1. <LI class=MsoNormal>A "small, strength hiding bet" which doesn’t give away the strength of your hand and still gets money in the pot. </LI> <LI class=MsoNormal>A “big, hand defining bet” which gives away the strength of your hand – BUT doesn’t give your opponents the correct implied odds to draw out on you. </LI>

    So, that in mind, I decided to make it 4.5x the mini raise (no reads on what the mini raise meant btw) I honestly went into my time bank here.... about 30 seconds. I mean wtf.... can I seriously fold here? I have been thinking about it for a while

    pokerstars Game #11511454966: Tournament #57909117, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/08/15 - 23:36:06 (ET)

    Table '57909117 42' 9-max Seat #8 is the button

    Seat 1: JOEJOEMUSH (22415 in chips)

    Seat 2: Nickoli2 (15650 in chips)

    Seat 3: Pure-Pako (9085 in chips)

    Seat 4: Constant (19175 in chips)

    Seat 5: pstarfish (14095 in chips)

    Seat 6: Rambaldi33 (21070 in chips)

    Seat 7: ryanb9 (26190 in chips)

    Seat 8: GameOverXXX (12240 in chips)

    JOEJOEMUSH: posts small blind 100

    Nickoli2: posts big blind 200

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to ryanb9 [Ks Kc]

    Pure-Pako: folds

    Constant: raises 200 to 400

    pstarfish: folds

    Rambaldi33: calls 400

    McRiverson is connected

    ryanb9: raises 1400 to 1800

    GameOverXXX: folds

    JOEJOEMUSH: raises 20615 to 22415 and is all-in

    Nickoli2: folds

    Constant: folds

    Rambaldi33: folds

    ryanb9: calls 20615

    *** FLOP *** [4s 3h Qs]

    JOEJOEMUSH said, "hold for me"

    *** TURN *** [4s 3h Qs] [7d]

    *** RIVER *** [4s 3h Qs 7d] [9c]

    *** SHOW DOWN ***

    JOEJOEMUSH: shows [Ac Ad] (a pair of Aces)

    ryanb9: shows [Ks Kc] (a pair of Kings)

    One thing to note is that when the action got to him he took about .5-1.5 seconds to shove all in.

    So, yes – of course I figured his range was wider than AA. He was not the best player and had been very active. In the order of what hands I thought he most likely had from greatest to least:

    AK

    AA

    QQ

    Now, (I didn’t think of this at the time), I have two Kings in my hand. This means that AK is much less likely of a holding. This would make me have to drop AK probably to the bottom of the list (could someone show me how to do the math of how this effects the # of AK/AA/QQ hands there are left). This would then (in compilation with his quick shove) make the list look like this:

    AA

    AK/QQ

    Thus making me lean towards folding. I think I have actually learned a lot just by writing this all out lol, however any additional input would be great
     
  2. thebawler thebawler is offline

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    Aug 16th, 2007 (8/16/2007 4:39pm) in reply to ryanb9

    LOL @ FOLDING KK ONLINE in a 10R just lose and play another
  3. Ajohnson21 Ajohnson21 is offline

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    Aug 16th, 2007 (8/16/2007 5:03pm) in reply to ryanb9

    instacall and go broke...tough break kid
     
  4. lordxixor101 lordxixor101 is offline

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    Aug 17th, 2007 (8/17/2007 10:27am) in reply to Ajohnson21

    I think this hand plays itself out. With 2 people in the pot, you have to raise it up, about what you did. You have KK, you aren't folding here (outside of sattilite situations).

    When you run KK into AA, you're going to lose lots of chips. Just the nature of the game.
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