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$11, 9 ppl SNG, Did I play these suited connectors, correct...?

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  1. ipwntable ipwntable is offline

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    Sep 9th, 2008 (9/9/2008 11:12pm)

    pokerstars Game #20286288346: Tournament #107293660, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2008/09/09 23:00:54 ET
    Table '107293660 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: forcedfuel50 (1255 in chips)
    Seat 2: diamondquest (1430 in chips)
    Seat 3: slows (1780 in chips)
    Seat 4: ipwntable (1855 in chips)
    Seat 6: redleg (1610 in chips)
    Seat 7: Madbilly (1385 in chips)
    Seat 8: Zinger1327 (1800 in chips)
    Seat 9: laney333 (2385 in chips)
    Madbilly: posts small blind 25
    Zinger1327: posts big blind 50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to ipwntable [9s Ts]
    laney333: folds
    forcedfuel50: folds
    diamondquest: folds
    slows: calls 50
    ipwntable: calls 50
    redleg: folds
    Madbilly: calls 25
    Zinger1327: checks
    *** FLOP *** [Ad 2s 6s]
    Madbilly: checks
    Zinger1327: checks
    slows: bets 50
    ipwntable: calls 50
    Madbilly: folds
    Zinger1327: calls 50
    *** TURN *** [Ad 2s 6s] [Kh]
    Zinger1327: checks
    slows: bets 200
    ipwntable: folds
    Zinger1327: folds
    Uncalled bet (200) returned to slows
    slows collected 350 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 350 | Rake 0
    Board [Ad 2s 6s Kh]
    Seat 1: forcedfuel50 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: diamondquest folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: slows collected (350)
    Seat 4: ipwntable folded on the Turn
    Seat 6: redleg (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: Madbilly (small blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 8: Zinger1327 (big blind) folded on the Turn
    Seat 9: laney333 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    I figured I had 9 outs (9 spades) to make the winning hand @ the showdown. So 9 outs x's 2, as Harrington said = my percentages of hitting a spade on the river, correct..? 18%
    Or about a 1 in 5 chance, and I had to cal 250 to win a 550 pot so, 550/250= 2.2. So its a losing call or -EV as ppl say. So is my math right, or how should I be analyzing these spots, with drawing hands. And are my lines correct..?
  2. j_farah j_farah is offline

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    Sep 9th, 2008 (9/9/2008 11:21pm) in reply to ipwntable

    You played it exactly the same as I would have.
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    Sep 9th, 2008 (9/9/2008 11:24pm) in reply to ipwntable

    At 25/50 and 8 guys left, I don't like to play suited connectors anywhere other than the unopened blinds, even with 36 BBs. After the pre-flop call, you played it fine.
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    Sep 9th, 2008 (9/9/2008 11:49pm) in reply to lainie1072

     
    Originally Posted by lainie1072 View Post

    At 25/50 and 8 guys left, I don't like to play suited connectors anywhere other than the unopened blinds, even with 36 BBs. After the pre-flop call, you played it fine.

    Okay, how do you play them in an unopened pot, in this situation..? limp, call etc.... fold/call raise OOP, fold/call raise in position etc..?
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    Sep 9th, 2008 (9/9/2008 11:51pm) in reply to ipwntable

    Fold pre
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    Sep 10th, 2008 (9/10/2008 12:12am) in reply to ipwntable

    This is fine,the whole way. Folding on the turn is fine also, no need to play a big pot on a draw at these blinds. Dont listen to the guy saying dont play these hands, because they are the type of hands you will double from (with the akward stack you have at these blinds) more so than a big hand, which your opppenent will put you on a smaller range of hands.
     
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    Sep 10th, 2008 (9/10/2008 12:16am) in reply to kalangis612

     
    Originally Posted by kalangis612 View Post

    This is fine,the whole way. Folding on the turn is fine also, no need to play a big pot on a draw at these blinds. Dont listen to the guy saying dont play these hands, because they know a lot more about sitngos thatn I do, but I play these hands therefore its the correct play.

    FYP
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    Sep 10th, 2008 (9/10/2008 12:24am) in reply to 3kingme3

    yea im sure you would just own my soul at sngs
     
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    Sep 10th, 2008 (9/10/2008 12:29am) in reply to ipwntable

    fold preflop
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    Sep 10th, 2008 (9/10/2008 12:32am) in reply to kalangis612

    Suited connectors are played best with deep stacks from any postion (open if first in pot) or calling late position raiser with them if you are in cutoff or on button. They can be tricky if you have awkward stack sizes involved in the hand. But they are certainly worth playing to advance your game past simple ABC poker. One note about your math evaluation. You have to factor in implied odds that you could win another bet on the river if you hit. That changes the numbers slightly, its not just how much do you have to call and how much is in the pot at that time.
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    Sep 10th, 2008 (9/10/2008 12:34am) in reply to therickbol

    It doesnt sound like you are comfortable enough playing MSC post flop. But if you were, the best play would have been to raise in the cutoff and isolate yourself against the MP limper and be H2H and in position after flop.
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    Sep 10th, 2008 (9/10/2008 12:34am) in reply to therickbol

     
    Originally Posted by therickbol View Post

    Suited connectors are played best with deep stacks from any postion (open if first in pot) or calling late position raiser with them if you are in cutoff or on button. They can be tricky if you have awkward stack sizes involved in the hand. But they are certainly worth playing to advance your game past simple ABC poker. One note about your math evaluation. You have to factor in implied odds that you could win another bet on the river if you hit. That changes the numbers slightly, its not just how much do you have to call and how much is in the pot at that time.

    ding ding ding
     
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    Sep 10th, 2008 (9/10/2008 12:49am) in reply to kalangis612

    idk why we want to play this hand preflop with the blinds at 25/50...i don't mind it as much at 10/20 or maybe 15/30...but even then you are going to get yourself into a lot of situations you don't want to be in

    As played is fine, but if you aren't confident with your post flop play and are good at push/fold later in SNGs, conserve the chips for later and don't limp these suited connectors without others limping in front of you and only during the first two levels
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    Sep 10th, 2008 (9/10/2008 12:54am) in reply to L0bstaM0bsta

    lobsta i agree, it is really dependent on your own postflop skill set if this is prifitable for you to be doing
     
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    Sep 10th, 2008 (9/10/2008 1:28am) in reply to ipwntable

    looks like a $5 sng
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    Sep 10th, 2008 (9/10/2008 1:45am) in reply to kalangis612

     
    Originally Posted by kalangis612 View Post


    yea im sure you would just own my soul at sngs

    IDK if I would but L0bstaM0bsta most def would
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