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11 left in 11r whats your play

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  1. ryanmack91 ryanmack91 is offline

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    Oct 2nd, 2007 (10/2/2007 11:55am)

    lead flop, play same , call shove?

    pokerstars Game #12386535006: Tournament #62648717, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIV (15000/30000) - 2007/10/01 - 22:29:54 (ET)
    Table '62648717 162' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: ryanmack91 (691711 in chips)
    Seat 3: dobbel ace (661645 in chips)
    Seat 4: Mariachi (439978 in chips)
    Seat 7: youwannaknow (1973958 in chips)
    Seat 9: taddaeus (758728 in chips)
    ryanmack91: posts the ante 3000
    dobbel ace: posts the ante 3000
    Mariachi: posts the ante 3000
    youwannaknow: posts the ante 3000
    taddaeus: posts the ante 3000
    taddaeus: posts small blind 15000
    ryanmack91: posts big blind 30000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to ryanmack91 [9d Tc]
    dobbel ace: folds
    Mariachi: folds
    youwannaknow: raises 36666 to 66666
    taddaeus: folds
    ryanmack91: calls 36666
    *** FLOP *** [9c 3s 3d]
    ryanmack91: checks
    youwannaknow: bets 100000
    ryanmack91: raises 170000 to 270000
    youwannaknow: raises 1634292 to 1904292 and is all-in
    ryanmack91: folds
    youwannaknow collected 703332 from pot
    youwannaknow: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 703332 | Rake 0
    Board [9c 3s 3d]
    Seat 1: ryanmack91 (big blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 3: dobbel ace folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: Mariachi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: youwannaknow (button) collected (703332)
    Seat 9: taddaeus (small blind) folded before Flop
     
  2. TheMayor TheMayor is offline

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    Oct 2nd, 2007 (10/2/2007 12:04pm) in reply to ryanmack91

    I'd probalby fold preflop depending on what villain has been playing like post flop. From his line on this hand, it looks like he is probably using his huge stack to his advantage very aggressively...that's the type of chip leader you especially want to avoid calling a raise from without a big hand. You have enough stack to not need to play 9T against an aggressive chipleader, even for such a small raise.

    Assuming you called, i think check/raising this board is probably the worst thing you can do because you have to put in so much of your stack without much info on his hand so far. If you lead and he reraises you, you have the opportunity to 3bet allin if you think he's making a move, or fold if you think you're beat. He must be raising and 3betting with a very wide range given his monsterous chip lead...so you really need to just go with your read and put it in on the flop with a bet/3bet, or give up if he raises your flop lead.
  3. kmil420 kmil420 is offline

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    Oct 2nd, 2007 (10/2/2007 12:36pm) in reply to TheMayor

    Just lead on flop. This board looks good to just about any pocket pair. He could have had 44-88 and taken you off the best hand.

    This big stack is probably abusing the FT bubble so you need to lead the flop and if reraises, you can either fold or put him all in.
  4. jay_shark jay_shark is offline

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    Oct 2nd, 2007 (10/2/2007 1:49pm) in reply to ryanmack91

    So you're getting about 3.37:1 pot odds to see the flop , which is not bad . Ideally you want to dump a hand like this to a button raiser , but you may be able to punish him for making such a small button raise with all those antes in play .

    If you estimate that you have about 1/4.37 ~ 22.88% favorable flops , then calling is a bit better than folding . How do we define a favorable flop?

    Any flop with a 9 or 10 high is in our favour and any straight/2 pair/trips or open ended straight draw is in our favour . If you account for all these possibilities , I believe calling pre is a bit better than folding .
  5. ryanmack91 ryanmack91 is offline

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    Oct 2nd, 2007 (10/2/2007 3:15pm) in reply to jay_shark

    the prob with leadign flop is it looks so weak
     
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  6. gentleben gentleben is offline

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    Oct 2nd, 2007 (10/2/2007 3:48pm) in reply to ryanmack91

    Leading the flop may look weak, but you leading allows you to put him to a decision rather than the other way around, unless he shoves over your raise. It also allows you to get away from the hand easier if you want. As you played it, half your stack is in the pot and youre basically forced to play it out. I think you should be looking to get it in on this flop anyway, because what else are you hoping to hit when you make this call preflop?
  7. ryanmack91 ryanmack91 is offline

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    Oct 2nd, 2007 (10/2/2007 4:34pm) in reply to gentleben

    just cuz i played hte hand doesnt mean i wnat to go all in
     
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  8. Bigchip79 Bigchip79 is offline

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    Oct 2nd, 2007 (10/2/2007 5:02pm) in reply to ryanmack91

    I think you played it alright... i would've called pre as well cuz i dont want him to steal my blinds that easy, i like to put up a fight especially with a nice drawing hand like 9T...but instead of c/r the flop for only 270k .. i would just c/shove to put him to the test...cuz if ur a tricky player and he sees that he might shove with air thinking that u c/r him with air.
  9. Rocky Rocky is offline

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    Oct 2nd, 2007 (10/2/2007 6:12pm) in reply to ryanmack91

    FOLD PREFLOP
     
  10. Pist0nH0nda Pist0nH0nda is offline

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    Oct 2nd, 2007 (10/2/2007 9:53pm) in reply to ryanmack91

    WHY ARE YOU IN THIS HAND TO BEGIN WITH?????
     
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