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$11 MTT's compared to Micro's?

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  1. valbizuresjr81 valbizuresjr81 is offline

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    Feb 3rd, 2010 (2/3/2010 1:31pm)

    I've been playing Micro tournaments for some time, recently moved up to $11MTT's, $3Rebuys.

    Is there a major change to overall tournament strategy. Should I consider folding QQ's preflop or should I still be calling off most of the time...?

    You just can't make this fold in micro's, was wondering if anyone would consider folding here.....?

    pokerstars Game #39175854850: Tournament #283010493, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (20/40) - 2010/02/03 11:25:45 PT [2010/02/03 14:25:45 ET]
    Table '283010493 86' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: Peekiboo81 (2870 in chips)
    Seat 2: joshuamano (3260 in chips)
    Seat 3: kato2424 (2940 in chips)
    Seat 4: LouWhitaker (2985 in chips)
    Seat 5: franxic (2700 in chips)
    Seat 6: Makavely27 (6850 in chips)
    Seat 7: _5YL_ (3890 in chips)
    Seat 8: olya_happy (3000 in chips)
    Seat 9: utzu09 (4275 in chips)
    LouWhitaker: posts small blind 20
    franxic: posts big blind 40
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Peekiboo81 [Qh Qd]
    Makavely27: calls 40
    _5YL_: raises 170 to 210
    olya_happy: folds
    utzu09: folds
    Peekiboo81: raises 430 to 640
    joshuamano: folds
    kato2424: folds
    LouWhitaker: folds
    franxic: folds
    Makavely27: folds
    _5YL_: raises 3250 to 3890 and is all-in
    Peekiboo81: calls 2230 and is all-in
    Uncalled bet (1020) returned to _5YL_
    *** FLOP *** [4c Js 8s]
    *** TURN *** [4c Js 8s] [2s]
    *** RIVER *** [4c Js 8s 2s] [4d]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    _5YL_: shows [Kd Kc] (two pair, Kings and Fours)
    Peekiboo81: shows [Qh Qd] (two pair, Queens and Fours)
    _5YL_ collected 5840 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 5840 | Rake 0
    Board [4c Js 8s 2s 4d]
    Seat 1: Peekiboo81 showed [Qh Qd] and lost with two pair, Queens and Fours
    Seat 2: joshuamano folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: kato2424 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: LouWhitaker (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 5: franxic (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 6: Makavely27 folded before Flop
    Seat 7: _5YL_ showed [Kd Kc] and won (5840) with two pair, Kings and Fours
    Seat 8: olya_happy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: utzu09 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
  2. BetzPH BetzPH is offline

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    Feb 3rd, 2010 (2/3/2010 1:35pm) in reply to valbizuresjr81

    the only way i might be folding queens in a $10 is if its raise/reraise/shove before i even act. even then im not definitely folding im just going to consider it. people get it in with JJ and AQ way too often to consider folding unless there is a ton of action
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  3. MFT77 MFT77 is offline

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    Feb 3rd, 2010 (2/3/2010 1:37pm) in reply to valbizuresjr81

    Very tough to lay down QQ in this type of action. With 3 or more people giving lotsa action i could see laying it down.
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    Feb 3rd, 2010 (2/3/2010 1:41pm) in reply to MFT77

    im never folding QQ here, esp with his 4 bet shove.

    Usually its obv when someone has KK or AA because they 4 bet u alot smaller to try and keep you in the pot.

    I wud say the major diff between micro and 10$ FO is that some 10$ FO grinders have concept of ICM and shoving ranges

    besides that, gg
  5. MarleyGroup MarleyGroup is offline

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    Feb 3rd, 2010 (2/3/2010 1:41pm) in reply to BetzPH

    $11s are micros
     
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    Feb 3rd, 2010 (2/3/2010 1:47pm) in reply to valbizuresjr81

    Just have a plan when you 3 bet here. Use reads, bet sizing, OPR/DB info on villian, position etc. But sure....you could consider folding depending on circumstances it just sucks because so much of his range is AK perhaps JJ here. Might want to hold back the results next time.

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    Feb 3rd, 2010 (2/3/2010 1:49pm) in reply to valbizuresjr81

    I dont think you can fold QQ pre-flop against just 1 opponent. I play micros and have played only a few of $11 but from what Ive seen they play is very similar and most players seemed willing not only to push all-in with AQ but to call all-ins as well regardless of stack sizes.
  8. gamble153 gamble153 is offline

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    Feb 3rd, 2010 (2/3/2010 1:51pm) in reply to ShyGuy03533

    i think this is the difference in the internet age compared to say 10 years ago. Honestly I think if its this early in a tourney and he is making a donk play with a marginal hand, then he WILL spew later, fold to his 4 bet and trap him later.
    I came across a similar situation about a week ago and I just let it go.

    And no I am not a nit, I just think its stupid to go against some bad players early when you'll find yourself beat most of the time.

    And yes there are a lot of bad players early in these tourneys, you will find a better spot
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    Feb 3rd, 2010 (2/3/2010 2:41pm) in reply to gamble153

    I def dont think this is always a fold. You can call here and be good often but if your plan is to fold to a 4bet you can consider 3b to like 525 or so and then folding to the 4 bet. I understand folding here its way early and theres no need to even get it in here. Even if he has AK your flipping for no reason other then maybe doubling up early an being able to play a little more from there one out.
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    Feb 3rd, 2010 (2/3/2010 2:48pm) in reply to MarleyGroup

     
    Originally Posted by MarleyGroup View Post

    $11s are micros

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    Feb 3rd, 2010 (2/3/2010 4:03pm) in reply to valbizuresjr81

    The only noticeable difference between micros and an $11 MTT is $7-$9.
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    Feb 3rd, 2010 (2/3/2010 4:38pm) in reply to 13Jayhawk13

    $11's and $3r and a little harder than micros. But if you have a solid game you shouldnt have any trouble.

    People RARELY if EVER 4bet light at lower blinds levels at the lower buy ins!! Unless you have a some kind of history with the villian you can pretty much range them at AK/JJ+ when you get fourbet and sometimes you can range them at KK/AA. I dont think that this case is one of them where I would fold QQ though.

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    Feb 3rd, 2010 (2/3/2010 4:52pm) in reply to AMEC04

     
    Originally Posted by AMEC04 View Post

    $11's and $3r and a little harder than micros. But if you have a solid game you shouldnt have any trouble.

    People RARELY if EVER 4bet light at lower blinds levels at the lower buy ins!! Unless you have a some kind of history with the villian you can pretty much range them at AK/JJ+ when you get fourbet and sometimes you can range them at KK/AA. I dont think that this case is one of them where I would fold QQ though.

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    I agree with this to a point. I don't believe people 4 bet light with a hand they think is light - but the issue is that so many people do not have a basic understanding of starting hands. This is why some people 4 bet with A3s because they think it is the nuts.
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    Feb 3rd, 2010 (2/3/2010 4:56pm) in reply to thearthurdog

    i also thinks it important to realize in these MTTs doubling up early will give you a huge advantage. even in the $10 MTTs i play i will almost always play QQ all in pre flop heads up. the average range is early in an MTT is really almost any pocketpair. AQ+ and i've even seen A3s (as stated above) and AJ get it in.

    to the person who said its better to trap the person later, why???? chances are you are not gonna get that second chance as someone else at the table will have the chips. at these levels i'm willing to gamble a bit more early knowing that if I get chips I will be a factor late.
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    Feb 3rd, 2010 (2/3/2010 5:09pm) in reply to valbizuresjr81

    I would generally fold here if you think you have an edge against the field.

    Because the micro and small stake tourneys have so many bad players, you're likely to get in a better spot to get it all in. To me this spot is really just a guess unless you have some history with the vilain. Guys can shove here with A3s but lots of players are just scared to play postflop and shove with AK-KK-AA and it's tough to know what kind of player you're up against.
     
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    Feb 3rd, 2010 (2/3/2010 5:42pm) in reply to thearthurdog

     
    Originally Posted by thearthurdog View Post

    I agree with this to a point. I don't believe people 4 bet light with a hand they think is light - but the issue is that so many people do not have a basic understanding of starting hands. This is why some people 4 bet with A3s because they think it is the nuts.

    omg this omg this and omg this lol (if my AK loses to A3 suited deep in another fkin micro i wont have a 60" lcd any more...)
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