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  1. SmileyLSU SmileyLSU is offline

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    Nov 27th, 2010 (11/27/2010 6:40am)

    12 people left. No reads. What would you do?

    pokerstars Game #53336659553: Tournament #335741629, $11+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit
    - Level XIV (800/1600) - 2010/11/27 0:24:34 CT [2010/11/27 1:24:34 ET]
    Table '335741629 3' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 2: broonie2 (15865 in chips)
    Seat 3: cjp2518 (41910 in chips)
    Seat 4: nahoy777) (37040 in chips)
    Seat 7: SmileyLSU (42011 in chips)
    Seat 8: TERC_TX (7192 in chips)
    Seat 9: nkeyno (31688 in chips)
    broonie2: posts the ante 150
    cjp2518: posts the ante 150
    nahoy777): posts the ante 150
    SmileyLSU: posts the ante 150
    TERC_TX: posts the ante 150
    nkeyno: posts the ante 150
    nahoy777): posts small blind 800
    SmileyLSU: posts big blind 1600
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to SmileyLSU [8d 8s]
    TERC_TX: folds
    nkeyno: folds
    broonie2: folds
    cjp2518: raises 3200 to 4800
    nahoy777): folds
    SmileyLSU: ????
  2. Nathan Zamora Nathan Zamora is offline

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    Nov 27th, 2010 (11/27/2010 7:08am) in reply to SmileyLSU

    fold
  3. 88XIN88 88XIN88 is offline

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    Nov 27th, 2010 (11/27/2010 7:32am) in reply to Nathan Zamora

    call and win so you can have an edge on the FT with a larger stack and target the shorties
     
  4. smcrawford2 smcrawford2 is offline The Decision Tree

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    Nov 27th, 2010 (11/27/2010 7:34am) in reply to Nathan Zamora

     
    Originally Posted by Nathan Zamora View Post

    fold

    all day
     
  5. Kern11 Kern11 is offline

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    Nov 27th, 2010 (11/27/2010 7:48am) in reply to smcrawford2

    fold and wait for a premium.
  6. fly44 fly44 is offline

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    Nov 27th, 2010 (11/27/2010 9:15am) in reply to Kern11

    I mean I guess, technically, folding is right, but fuck it, jam, see if he will fold AQ.
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  7. Nathan Zamora Nathan Zamora is offline

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    Nov 27th, 2010 (11/27/2010 8:24pm) in reply to fly44

    If 'technically' folding is right, why would you do anything else?
  8. Turt22 Turt22 is offline

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    Nov 27th, 2010 (11/27/2010 11:22pm) in reply to Nathan Zamora

    i say get it in. the structure in those are so wack. blinds get to big very fast. i think his range is very wide open. maybe weak a. q j suited something along those lines i think its an instant jam
  9. AFink93 AFink93 is offline

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    Nov 28th, 2010 (11/28/2010 12:09am) in reply to Turt22

    3 bet. Shoving seems excessive. Folding seems nitty. Flatting and playing oop is foolish. I'd say 11876 and flip a coin if your gonna call a shove or not.
  10. Drewdaddy19 Drewdaddy19 is offline

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    Nov 28th, 2010 (11/28/2010 12:32am) in reply to AFink93

    88 is ahead of his button opening range. I would 3bet/call based on that but I suck at 180s.
     
  11. willbec1 willbec1 is offline

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    Nov 28th, 2010 (11/28/2010 12:34am) in reply to AFink93

    I am Getting this in if hes raised a few times before. I am folding if he hasn't. 42k is straight even at like BB 5000 with 5 ppl left. While these do go bye fast theres no hurry JUST yet. But again if hes been even semi active im gonna assum he is folding to a 3bet alot.
    Edited By: willbec1 Nov 28th, 2010 at 12:34 AM
     
  12. in4games in4games is offline

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    Nov 28th, 2010 (11/28/2010 12:55am) in reply to willbec1

    fold
     
  13. Chavalo Chavalo is offline

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    Nov 28th, 2010 (11/28/2010 12:57am) in reply to willbec1

    1. Do a quick sharkscope check, see that he's got 2% roi

    2. 3 bet to 11,700 / fold to shove


    but that's me. Like, a barely profitable player is usually not making a move on you in this spot, so 88 doesn't play well against his 4bet shove range. But it does play well against a good agressive player, so 3bet/call vs good players imo
    Edited By: Chavalo Nov 28th, 2010 at 01:01 AM
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    Nov 28th, 2010 (11/28/2010 1:09am) in reply to in4games

    i was surprised to see so many people advocating a fold because imo it is a pretty easy shove . You are nearing the final table and as a big stack the villian is likely to be raising very wide from the button so your 88 figures to be well ahead of his range . i agree that shoving is a little on the excessive side but i still think that it is fine.
     
  15. Chavalo Chavalo is offline

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    Nov 28th, 2010 (11/28/2010 1:16am) in reply to riddup

    Shoving to a button raise with 27bbs in a sng is too aggressive. Obviously +cEV, but that doesn't mean it's optimal. We have a pretty healthy stack and I wouldn't advocate shoving.
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    Nov 28th, 2010 (11/28/2010 4:27am) in reply to Chavalo

    just lol
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    Nov 28th, 2010 (11/28/2010 4:44am) in reply to Kern11

    im raising.
  18. CeJeH CeJeH is offline

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    Nov 28th, 2010 (11/28/2010 4:47am) in reply to Dissident

    12345/call jam and win the flip
     
  19. snowman2k6 snowman2k6 is offline DO NOT TRADE -- MONEY TRANSFER SCAMMER

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    Nov 28th, 2010 (11/28/2010 7:04am) in reply to CeJeH

     
    Originally Posted by CeJeH View Post

    12345/call jam and win the flip

    yupppp
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    Nov 28th, 2010 (11/28/2010 7:11am) in reply to snowman2k6

    I think that you should shove. I'd def puss out though.
     
  21. xxbossmanxx xxbossmanxx is online now Plays poker like a X-Boxxx

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    Nov 28th, 2010 (11/28/2010 8:28am) in reply to silkhandlez

    fold
  22. gjallen1975 gjallen1975 is offline

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    Nov 28th, 2010 (11/28/2010 3:41pm) in reply to xxbossmanxx

    unless i read the HH wrong:

    -You are 6 handed with a top ten hand.
    -Big stack is abusing the nits trying to FT
    -this is a turbo 180 with fast blinds and a weak field.
    -six handed, folded to the big stack on the button, can't villian's opening range be ATC?

    you can really fold here? not me.....

    with the dynamics (6 handed, 12 remaining, folded to the big stack who raises from the button), i think i would shove 88 and 3b/f with ATC. do you have any reason to believe he isn't straight stealing?

    i mean, seriously, if you can't defend your blinds short-handed with a top ten hand, wtf do you defend them with?
    Edited By: gjallen1975 Nov 28th, 2010 at 04:14 PM
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    Nov 28th, 2010 (11/28/2010 4:19pm) in reply to gjallen1975

    What did you feel like doing in the moment? Go with your heart son!
  24. dalix88 dalix88 is offline

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    Nov 28th, 2010 (11/28/2010 6:01pm) in reply to Kyle Million

    3b/call...but not thrilled about it.
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  25. Hub Dub 04 Hub Dub 04 is offline

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    Nov 28th, 2010 (11/28/2010 6:13pm) in reply to dalix88

    fold AINEC
  26. Wooz.PG Wooz.PG is offline

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    Nov 28th, 2010 (11/28/2010 6:45pm) in reply to Hub Dub 04

    no way are people really this nitty? not been in PD for ages. folding here is beyond retarded in my mind. And Lol at the guy saying shoving is +ev but its still correct to fold. Im gonna load one of these badboys up right now if this is how the players in them think :)
  27. xxbossmanxx xxbossmanxx is online now Plays poker like a X-Boxxx

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    Nov 28th, 2010 (11/28/2010 8:48pm) in reply to Wooz.PG

     
    Originally Posted by Wooz.PG View Post

    no way are people really this nitty? not been in PD for ages. folding here is beyond retarded in my mind. And Lol at the guy saying shoving is +ev but its still correct to fold. Im gonna load one of these badboys up right now if this is how the players in them think :)

    Do what you think is right IMO. I fold here and have made plenty in these. Hell, I had a shark swimming next to my name on those for a while. Even after some downswing I think I have a 30% ROI.

    Edit: Well I call sometimes but def. make some laydowns that others wont.
    Edited By: xxbossmanxx Nov 28th, 2010 at 08:50 PM
  28. Mr. Blonde Mr. Blonde is offline Supreme Moderator

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    Nov 28th, 2010 (11/28/2010 8:52pm) in reply to xxbossmanxx

    shove all day.

    *edit* probably why im broke
    Edited By: Mr. Blonde Nov 28th, 2010 at 08:53 PM
     
  29. tb4rizzl tb4rizzl is offline

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    Nov 28th, 2010 (11/28/2010 9:25pm) in reply to Mr. Blonde

    i cant understand the logic of anything other than shuving. r/f is terrible with your stack, so is flatting oop, and finally its a 6 handed button raise on the ft bubble. i mean come on everybody tries to build a stack here how can you fold 88 when finishing anywhere other than 1st or 2nd is pretty much a waste of time. i know what seems obvious to me and if folding is optimal i would like to hear an explanation.
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