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14bb iso With KQs Deep on stars... Thoughts Please

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  1. Skkills Skkills is offline

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    Aug 27th, 2010 (8/27/2010 8:31am)

    there is 15ppl left in this.... the shover isnt a nit.. lil wild is my read... saw him shove A6 from Mid Postion with 18bbs
    My question is it +ev to iso here or just fold

    pokerstars Game #48730328194: Tournament #327011054, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXX (5000/10000) - 2010/08/26 23:45:58 PT [2010/08/27 2:45:58 ET]
    Table '327011054 53' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: tremg (384642 in chips)
    Seat 2: astonbentley (228973 in chips)
    Seat 4: Mikey11 (332929 in chips)
    Seat 5: dflittie (677338 in chips)
    Seat 6: standman0405 (65779 in chips)
    Seat 7: BROADStBULLe (209895 in chips)
    Seat 8: skkills (148815 in chips)
    Seat 9: ptrkantonius (283028 in chips)
    tremg: posts the ante 1250
    astonbentley: posts the ante 1250
    Mikey11: posts the ante 1250
    dflittie: posts the ante 1250
    standman0405: posts the ante 1250
    BROADStBULLe: posts the ante 1250
    skkills: posts the ante 1250
    ptrkantonius: posts the ante 1250
    skkills: posts small blind 5000
    ptrkantonius: posts big blind 10000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to skkills [Ks Qs]
    tremg: folds
    astonbentley: folds
    Mikey11: folds
    dflittie: folds
    standman0405: raises 54529 to 64529 and is all-in
     
  2. Spissos Spissos is offline

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    Aug 27th, 2010 (8/27/2010 8:54am) in reply to Skkills

    shove, i think he shoves all broadways
  3. drnobody1 drnobody1 is offline

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    Aug 27th, 2010 (8/27/2010 9:51am) in reply to Spissos

    Fold
  4. DWilliams DWilliams is offline

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    Aug 27th, 2010 (8/27/2010 2:02pm) in reply to drnobody1

    is that a button shove for 6 bbs????

    edit: one off, still see below

    dont fold
    Edited By: DWilliams Aug 27th, 2010 at 02:03 PM
  5. hushpuckena hushpuckena is offline

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    Aug 27th, 2010 (8/27/2010 3:37pm) in reply to DWilliams

    With 6.5 BB, he should have a wide range, but it's curious that he has such a short stack, yet shoved Ax with 18 BB another time. This is all contradictory to me. Did his stack just take a hit?

    I'm isoshoving here; I don't believe one can pass up chances such as this to gain chips. If he has QQ+, so be it.
  6. finewhine finewhine is offline

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    Aug 27th, 2010 (8/27/2010 3:43pm) in reply to Skkills

    I would shove. Btw, BROADStBULLe is next to act after standman shoves. Can I assume he folded? Otherwise, I might play it differently.
  7. EitherDetroitOrVegas EitherDetroitOrVegas is offline

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    Aug 27th, 2010 (8/27/2010 9:44pm) in reply to finewhine

    I'd fold i'd rather be shoving with that hand then calling late in a tourney there . Its not that hard to be behind there and its for almost half your stack
  8. okse54 okse54 is offline

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    Sep 1st, 2010 (9/1/2010 3:45pm) in reply to EitherDetroitOrVegas

    i like an iso shove here,

    we should be ahead of alot of his range and only 1 person to act after us.

    plus with the shove being so small the dead money in the middle gives us great odds to get it in vs him even if we arent ahead of his range
     
  9. scf187 scf187 is offline

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    Sep 3rd, 2010 (9/3/2010 1:27am) in reply to okse54

    Exactly^ He can show A10 JJ etc face up and you should still iso with the odds you're getting
  10. djdoodoo djdoodoo is offline

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    Sep 5th, 2010 (9/5/2010 12:40am) in reply to scf187

    Fold. Negative ev to call his shove.
  11. okse54 okse54 is offline

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    Sep 5th, 2010 (9/5/2010 1:56am) in reply to djdoodoo

     
    Originally Posted by Reece Throop View Post

    Fold. Negative ev to call his shove.

    its rly rly hard for this to be a -EV call.

    by folding this ur giving up on alot of equity

    fwiw acc to nash if the CO is shoving optimally and the BB is over calling optimally our calling range should be 30.0%, 22+ A2s+ A3o+ K6s+ K9o+ Q8s+ QTo+ J9s+ JTo T9s

    u might disagree with some of those hands based on the actual shoving range of the short stack but KQs is a monster compared to wat our calling range should be and would probably be a rly big leak if ur consistently folding to a shove like this
     
  12. l3iRdMaN l3iRdMaN is offline

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    Sep 5th, 2010 (9/5/2010 2:36pm) in reply to okse54

     
    Originally Posted by okse54 View Post

    its rly rly hard for this to be a -EV call.

    by folding this ur giving up on alot of equity

    fwiw acc to nash if the CO is shoving optimally and the BB is over calling optimally our calling range should be 30.0%, 22+ A2s+ A3o+ K6s+ K9o+ Q8s+ QTo+ J9s+ JTo T9s

    u might disagree with some of those hands based on the actual shoving range of the short stack but KQs is a monster compared to wat our calling range should be and would probably be a rly big leak if ur consistently folding to a shove like this

    i 2nd this notion
     
  13. Bjizzle44 Bjizzle44 is offline

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    Sep 6th, 2010 (9/6/2010 3:58pm) in reply to l3iRdMaN

    iso shove, easy decision. +ev play. his shoving range indeed is very wide.

    bjizz
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