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  1. Pojai Pojai is offline

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    Mar 11th, 2008 (3/11/2008 5:04pm)

    pokerstars Game #15901515498: Tournament #80380151, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (150/300) - 2008/03/11 - 10:48:37 (ET)
    Table '80380151 10' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: Pojai (4380 in chips)
    Seat 2: ungar-like (8497 in chips)
    Seat 3: TAHREECE (7647 in chips)
    Seat 4: jimenezzzz (14828 in chips)
    Seat 5: baexy (9498 in chips)
    Seat 7: DaCanesRule (4420 in chips)
    Seat 8: DaMethod (1992 in chips)
    Pojai: posts the ante 25
    ungar-like: posts the ante 25
    TAHREECE: posts the ante 25
    jimenezzzz: posts the ante 25
    baexy: posts the ante 25
    DaCanesRule: posts the ante 25
    DaMethod: posts the ante 25
    baexy: posts small blind 150
    DaCanesRule: posts big blind 300
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Pojai [Js Ad]
    DaMethod: folds
    Pojai: ??

    Is gonna be tough if i open n get flatted....
    so what do u do? fold pre?
     
  2. Jaxsonguy Jaxsonguy is offline

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    Mar 11th, 2008 (3/11/2008 5:10pm) in reply to Pojai

    I fold.....
    but am the nittiest there is
     
  3. CalBandGreat CalBandGreat is offline

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    Mar 11th, 2008 (3/11/2008 5:17pm) in reply to Pojai

    If you are going to raise, you should be raising all-in. I think some reasonable people might fold this, but I shove in this spot.
     
  4. CalBandGreat CalBandGreat is offline

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    Mar 11th, 2008 (3/11/2008 5:18pm) in reply to Pojai

    It is close though, as I would fold A,10. I'm curious to see what others think.
     
  5. Trent55 Trent55 is offline can i have a title now

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    Mar 11th, 2008 (3/11/2008 5:19pm) in reply to CalBandGreat

    fold or shove imo
  6. K1d_Gr1nD K1d_Gr1nD is offline

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    Mar 11th, 2008 (3/11/2008 5:20pm) in reply to CalBandGreat

    shove or fold...theres is no 3x standard raise here....i prob fold...12BBs i shove
  7. RankMeNOW RankMeNOW is offline

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    Mar 11th, 2008 (3/11/2008 6:01pm) in reply to Pojai

    muck em say uhhhhhhh
     
  8. OneUglyMoFo OneUglyMoFo is offline

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    Mar 11th, 2008 (3/11/2008 6:54pm) in reply to Pojai

    Fold?...r u fuking serious?..pls keep waiting for aces when u have 14 BBs
  9. Wretchy Wretchy is offline whatslogic

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    Mar 11th, 2008 (3/11/2008 6:56pm) in reply to OneUglyMoFo

    i insta fold, imo
     
  10. Randinho Randinho is offline

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    Mar 11th, 2008 (3/11/2008 7:03pm) in reply to Pojai

    9-handed it's a turbomuck. 7-handed is a little more on the fence. Def. shove or fold, but I'm not sure which one :/
  11. ZingZealZest ZingZealZest is offline

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    Mar 11th, 2008 (3/11/2008 7:08pm) in reply to Pojai

    I fold. But this is a tough spot! More replies please!
     
  12. Roark21 Roark21 is offline

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    Mar 11th, 2008 (3/11/2008 7:09pm) in reply to Randinho

    When i fold my AJ there it folds around to the BB who gets a walk, and when I shove AJ the BB has QQ and gg me. AJ is the only hand i don't misplay.
  13. pokergrind pokergrind is offline

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    Mar 11th, 2008 (3/11/2008 7:11pm) in reply to Pojai

    Fold in that spot which I'm about 85% sure u did. GG
  14. FishOnTilt FishOnTilt is offline

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    Mar 11th, 2008 (3/11/2008 7:15pm) in reply to pokergrind

    fold and it isnt even close rly
     
  15. threebanger threebanger is offline

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    Mar 11th, 2008 (3/11/2008 7:16pm) in reply to Pojai

    Golly, Jimmy, this is a tough one. If only you could see how the pros do it.
  16. CalBandGreat CalBandGreat is offline

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    Mar 11th, 2008 (3/11/2008 7:55pm) in reply to Pojai

    FishOnTilt, I respect your game much more than I do my own, so I would like to ask you a few questions about this hand. At what stack size will you start shoving AJ in this spot? What hands would you need to shove with this sized stack? In what position would you shove this stack with AJ? Honestly, I read this post quickly and I thought that Pojai was in the hijack (2 off of the button), how much of a difference would that make?
     
  17. SCTrojans SCTrojans is offline

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    Mar 11th, 2008 (3/11/2008 7:58pm) in reply to Pojai

    I rarely fold
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  18. CalBandGreat CalBandGreat is offline

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    Mar 11th, 2008 (3/11/2008 8:21pm) in reply to Pojai

    SCT, are you saying that you rarely fold in this spot or are you just joking around that you rarely fold in general. I'm actually trying to get better at poker for the first time in a while and I really would like to know what the top players do in this spot. Now that I think about it more, it does seem like too many chips to put in with AJ in this spot, but I still feel that it is close. Also, if it is close can you argue that it is a positive play for someone like me, but that it is a negative play for someone like SCT because he is better at finding +EV spots in which to put his chips in?
     
  19. Willywoo Willywoo is offline

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    Mar 11th, 2008 (3/11/2008 8:33pm) in reply to CalBandGreat

    Agree that it is a shove/fold situation. I see the issue as not just when to shove AJ from early with 14bb, but I would like to know what people think about how the other stack sizes play into this decision. Does the fact that there is only one relatively large stack make you less or more likely to shove here?
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    Mar 11th, 2008 (3/11/2008 8:35pm) in reply to FishOnTilt

    <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Re(2): 14BB stack AJo
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  21. eg23 eg23 is offline

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    Mar 11th, 2008 (3/11/2008 8:38pm) in reply to CalBandGreat

    9 at a table i think this is an insta fold... with 7 seated its abit more marginal but i drop it here as well... id honestly much rather shove a larger range in a lp unopened spot with 13-9 bb then shove AJ off UTG + 1
     
  22. CalBandGreat CalBandGreat is offline

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    Mar 11th, 2008 (3/11/2008 8:42pm) in reply to Pojai

     
  23. FishOnTilt FishOnTilt is offline

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    Mar 11th, 2008 (3/11/2008 8:45pm) in reply to CalBandGreat

    10 bbs prolly, with 14 u have a ton more reraise fold equity than u do with 10 and reraise fold equity in future spots is the main thing i look at when deciding what to do in ep in spots like this with 11-15bbs . I think a huge leak alot of ppl have is shoving 13-15 bbs in ep with marginal hands when the risk vs reward rly isnt there imo,you can just wait and shove on button or co openers who have wide ranges with an even wider range and chip up even more. alot of ppl might argue against me to shove here but i think this is a leak tons of ppl have is shoving too early in marignal spots when they dont need to. im more comfortable with goin thru the blinds and shoving button or cutoff in spots like this. if i was in the hijack here i would either raise/call or shove.

    edit: i think im shovin 7 handed, thought it was 9 handed. its alot closer 7 handed

    edit: nah im foldin
     
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    Mar 11th, 2008 (3/11/2008 9:08pm) in reply to CalBandGreat

    agri with Calbandgreat
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    Mar 11th, 2008 (3/11/2008 9:45pm) in reply to Pojai

    snap fold
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  26. rizniles rizniles is offline

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    Mar 11th, 2008 (3/11/2008 9:56pm) in reply to Pojai

    I think Fish makes a great point with regards to "preserving your reraise fold equity." Might be better to look for a spot to reshove than to shove out of the gate.
     
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