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15k : Any opinion on my JJ play here, ty

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  1. AntiClimacus AntiClimacus is offline

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    Mar 28th, 2010 (3/28/2010 9:43pm)

    Is this a good fold in your opinion? How could I have played it better?

    Full Tilt Poker Game #19643578674: Super Stack $15K Guarantee (149852381), Table 77 - 140/280 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:38:00 ET - 2010/03/28
    Seat 1: xatar mardin (19,519)
    Seat 2: senorjoshua (22,715)
    Seat 3: yaralova (10,715), is sitting out
    Seat 4: AntiClimacus (23,909)
    Seat 5: TomRaiders (11,404)
    Seat 6: Anthony2188 (9,050)
    Seat 7: MilkYourCow (52,063)
    Seat 8: Got_Shades (20,749)
    Seat 9: drisolic (2,800)
    xatar mardin antes 25
    senorjoshua antes 25
    yaralova antes 25
    AntiClimacus antes 25
    TomRaiders antes 25
    Anthony2188 antes 25
    MilkYourCow antes 25
    Got_Shades antes 25
    drisolic antes 25
    AntiClimacus posts the small blind of 140
    TomRaiders posts the big blind of 280
    The button is in seat #3
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to AntiClimacus [Jh Js]
    Anthony2188 has 15 seconds left to act
    Anthony2188 folds
    MilkYourCow folds
    Got_Shades folds
    drisolic folds
    xatar mardin raises to 1,333
    senorjoshua folds
    yaralova folds
    AntiClimacus calls 1,193
    TomRaiders has 15 seconds left to act
    TomRaiders folds
    *** FLOP *** [5s Qc 6d]
    AntiClimacus has 15 seconds left to act
    AntiClimacus bets 1,400
    yaralova has been disconnected
    xatar mardin raises to 3,640
    AntiClimacus calls 2,240
    *** TURN *** [5s Qc 6d] [5d]
    AntiClimacus checks
    xatar mardin has 15 seconds left to act
    xatar mardin bets 8,960
    AntiClimacus has 15 seconds left to act
    AntiClimacus folds
    Uncalled bet of 8,960 returned to xatar mardin
    xatar mardin mucks
    xatar mardin wins the pot (10,451)
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 10,451 | Rake 0
    Board: [5s Qc 6d 5d]
    Seat 1: xatar mardin collected (10,451), mucked
    Seat 2: senorjoshua folded before the Flop
    Seat 3: yaralova (button) folded before the Flop
    Seat 4: AntiClimacus (small blind) folded on the Turn
    Seat 5: TomRaiders (big blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 6: Anthony2188 folded before the Flop
    Seat 7: MilkYourCow folded before the Flop
    Seat 8: Got_Shades folded before the Flop
    Seat 9: drisolic folded before the Flop
  2. s.l. halper s.l. halper is offline

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    Mar 28th, 2010 (3/28/2010 9:49pm) in reply to AntiClimacus

    Yes.

    Pre-flop is fine. A 3-bet is ok too since you are oop, but I don't want to fold to a 4-bet so I think flatting is preferred this deep.

    Don't lead the flop. There is no benefit to it. Just c/c one street (at least) and evaluate his betsizing and reaction.

    Flatting the c/r is ok.

    Folding the turn is ok.

    Your only real leak is the flop donk bet.
     
  3. AntiClimacus AntiClimacus is offline

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    Mar 28th, 2010 (3/28/2010 10:11pm) in reply to s.l. halper

    ty sl...!
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  4. TeddyKGB109 TeddyKGB109 is offline

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    Mar 28th, 2010 (3/28/2010 10:42pm) in reply to AntiClimacus

    there is absolutely nothing wrong with leading this flop, in fact i think it's the optimal play in this spot. i usually prefer to take the lead OOP and force the original raiser to define their hand. the problem is you lead too small, making it easy for him to come over the top small, which he could be doing with a wide % of his preflop raising range on that flop.

    bet out about 2/3 pot and feel comfortable folding to a re-raise, especially considering his raise sizing preflop, then when he raises your strong OOP bet, you can confidently lay the JJ down.
     
  5. The Baby Bull The Baby Bull is offline

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    Mar 28th, 2010 (3/28/2010 11:26pm) in reply to TeddyKGB109

    I only have on thought that I feel strongly about... just fold to the raise on the flop if you are going to check fold the turn. Given the way the hand has played out he's going to bet the turn when you check to him like 99.9% of the time. Calling the raise to see how he plays the turn is spewy, imo.
     
  6. Damage1 Damage1 is offline

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    Mar 29th, 2010 (3/29/2010 12:29am) in reply to TeddyKGB109

     
    Originally Posted by TeddyKGB109 View Post

    there is absolutely nothing wrong with leading this flop, in fact i think it's the optimal play in this spot. i usually prefer to take the lead OOP and force the original raiser to define their hand. the problem is you lead too small, making it easy for him to come over the top small, which he could be doing with a wide % of his preflop raising range on that flop.

    bet out about 2/3 pot and feel comfortable folding to a re-raise, especially considering his raise sizing preflop, then when he raises your strong OOP bet, you can confidently lay the JJ down.

    no
  7. TeddyKGB109 TeddyKGB109 is offline

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    Mar 29th, 2010 (3/29/2010 6:27pm) in reply to Damage1

     
    Originally Posted by Damage1 View Post

    no

    explanation?
     
  8. MakeMeMaster MakeMeMaster is offline

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    Mar 29th, 2010 (3/29/2010 6:35pm) in reply to TeddyKGB109

    I like to 3-bet and get it in pre if possible.
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  9. FenwayKing FenwayKing is offline The Well: FenwayKing

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    Mar 29th, 2010 (3/29/2010 6:53pm) in reply to AntiClimacus

    dont lead flop, i'd c/c flop and probably reeval turn based on sizing, timing etc

    i like the flat pre
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  10. Aggie_E Aggie_E is offline

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    Mar 29th, 2010 (3/29/2010 8:21pm) in reply to FenwayKing

    That deep i think a 3-bet pf is preffered. The lead out is OK, but it can appear to be a weak lead, not sure of the BI though..
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