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16$ stt - bubble situation

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  1. SofaKingCewl SofaKingCewl is offline

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    Jan 12th, 2009 (1/12/2009 6:18pm)

    pokerstars Game #23842657920: Tournament #133613697, $15+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2009/01/12 19:03:15 ET
    Table '133613697 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 2: JoeDeMoeFoe (2166 in chips)
    Seat 5: lolSFobv (2020 in chips)
    Seat 7: riksanchez (3099 in chips)
    Seat 9: mischa84 (6215 in chips)
    JoeDeMoeFoe: posts the ante 50
    lolSFobv: posts the ante 50
    riksanchez: posts the ante 50
    mischa84: posts the ante 50
    JoeDeMoeFoe: posts small blind 300
    lolSFobv: posts big blind 600
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to lolSFobv [3c 4c]
    riksanchez: folds
    mischa84: folds
    JoeDeMoeFoe: raises 1516 to 2116 and is all-in
    lolSFobv: ???

    Icm becomes pretty much useless at these blindlevels, so what am i supposed to do here?

    If i fold i leave myself in a very very bad chip position.
    Im getting good potodds (2.5:1) to call but its still the bubble ofcourse, and calling off your stack on the bubble with 4-high doesnt seem like the greatest idea either.

    WWYD?
  2. stayhighlowe stayhighlowe is offline

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    Jan 12th, 2009 (1/12/2009 6:19pm) in reply to SofaKingCewl

    fold
  3. Jennifear Jennifear is offline

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    Jan 12th, 2009 (1/12/2009 6:23pm) in reply to SofaKingCewl

    Fold. Call with about the top 3/4 of whatever you think he's shoving here.

    Nash gives:

    <TABLE class=simple cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=3 border=1><TBODY><TR><TD>SB</TD><TD><TD><TD>81.6%, 22+ Jx+ T2s+ T4o+ 92s+ 95o+ 82s+ 85o+ 73s+ 75o+ 63s+ 65o 52s+ 54o 43s <<what he should be shoving</TD></TR><TR><TD><TD>BB</TD><TD><TD>65.3%, 22+ Qx+ J2s+ J4o+ T3s+ T6o+ 95s+ 97o+ 86s+ 87o 76s <what you should call with if SB knows he should be shoving this wide</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

    Fold 34s no matter what, but hat you should actually call with depends largely on the SB's shoving range.
  4. SofaKingCewl SofaKingCewl is offline

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    Jan 12th, 2009 (1/12/2009 6:31pm) in reply to Jennifear

     
    Originally Posted by Jennifear View Post

    Fold. Call with about the top 3/4 of whatever you think he's shoving here.

    Nash gives:

    <TABLE class=simple cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=3 border=1><TBODY><TR><TD>SB</TD><TD><TD><TD>81.6%, 22+ Jx+ T2s+ T4o+ 92s+ 95o+ 82s+ 85o+ 73s+ 75o+ 63s+ 65o 52s+ 54o 43s <<what he should be shoving</TD></TR><TR><TD><TD>BB</TD><TD><TD>65.3%, 22+ Qx+ J2s+ J4o+ T3s+ T6o+ 95s+ 97o+ 86s+ 87o 76s <what you should call with if SB knows he should be shoving this wide</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

    Fold 34s no matter what, but hat you should actually call with depends largely on the SB's shoving range.

    I know im supposed to fold according to icm, so thats what i did.

    BUT icm doesnt take in consideration that the bigstack has somewhat of a clue and will be pushing a lot of hands next hand and as a consequence that i'm basically leaving myself with 900ish chips after the SB has passed.
    Wouldn't that be a reason to call ridic wide in this spot + the fact that villain is a reg and is probably pushing very wide ? I feel like this might be a spot where icm becomes somewhat useless.
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