Early stages in 180's, aggressive, see flops cheaply? Thoughts on this...

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U loosen up or something?

i sort of agree on rmanjura opinion and some not. i like to see flops for cheap in the early stages, and i would also play mid and low pocket pairs if the raise isnt too big. because you if hit a set then you can easily get a lot, and if you miss its easy to lay it down. and i try and adjust to how the table is playing especially in the later stages, and sometimes people forgetthat and just focus on playing their set rule of hands...

You are the type of person that makes me hate that site. Use it for information, not to flame people. :P :P :P

Well, I guess I would classify my style of play in the early stages of a 180 as pretty TAGgy. If I can see cheap flops (or I have the right price to do so), I will occasionally play hands outside my traditional range and hope to flop big. Otherwise, I pretty much play moderate to high strength hands with cautious agression. I try not to bluff too much in the early stages because the weaker players tend not to fall for it, plus the blinds don't really make it a worthwhile endeavor. As the tournament progresses however, I open up my range and play position a little stronger as the blinds and antes are worth fighting for. If you'll notice the chart, my total profit decreased as i crossed the 500 game threshold. During this period, I was experimenting with a LAGgy style and not having much success, as you can see. This could be attributed to a number of factors but mainly, I don't think I had the discipline to play this style very effectively. Although this may seem like a contradiction (discipline coupled with a LAGgy style of play), Loose-Aggressive players are great at reading situations clearly and knowing when to fold despite hitting their hands. Since then, I have reverted back to what I know (Tight-Aggressive) and have met with reasonable sucess as of late. I guess what i'm trying to say is experiment and see what works best for you. A little creativity can be enlightening, even if the revelation is realizing that which DOESN't work for you. I hope this helped (at least a little bit) and gl at the tables.

Adam

**Edit** I guess I don't know how to post charts and stuff from sharkscope :(

anyone that has advanced stats on sharkscope wanna post my stats for the $4.40 180 mans and the $22 ones seperately? Im curious to see them

Phil Hellmuth once said, and I think it was in reference to limit but f-it, "Super tight is right." I agree with Afink93, play turbo tight at the beginning. I usually only open up after a bunch of people have busted. Also, it is pretty easy to chip up during bubble time.

I like to play em tight, then slowly put the pressure on. This is the $4 of course.

See different styles work. Cause I know Damage is good and his style works.. And I suck but My style works.. So if your good at what you do you can make money at these.

AF

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hey does anybody have a membership to sharkscope and can u look my stats up in these. I think i run ok and i play tight till the first break is over usually

Manjura, i dont think anyone here is trying to flame you, but posting those stats to "show" that your style works is what a lot of people probably thought you were trying to do. The only problem with that is you only have 22 games played which is at least a few hundred shy of a decent sample size. Personally, my style in these is fairly straight forward, i dont make big bluffs early and generally just play tight for the first hour, although i do look to see cheap flops if, for example, i'm on the button with after 3 or 4 limpers, i will limp in with a wide variety of hands because of the tremendous implied odds these players give. In the later stages of the tourney, i will begin to open up my raising range a little bit, as well begin to make a decent amount of resteals, especially on bubble time. I just started playing the $4 180 mans, and plan to move up to the 10 and 20s in a couple weeks once i get used to them especially since i have rarely ever played anything but cash games and sngs. I consider myself a decent player in these with a lot of room for improvement. My sample size is still small, but so far i have somewhere around 100 of them played with a 190% ROI. My screen name is rjk05 is anyone wants to check them out.

Overall, the play in the 180s (any buy in) is horrid. There are alot of diffrent styles that you can play early on and still be fine. There is nothing wrong with being loose and agressive early on if you are able to find which guys are gonna pay you off and call you down lite when you hit a big flop. There are plenty of people that when they get a 7 high flop are more then happy to stack off with top pair, 88, or something along those lines. There is also something to be said for playing a little tighter early on because you'll see alot of guys that are playing loose passive that you can take alot of advantage post flop. Everyone has their own basic style that they feel most comfortable with, so if you have found something that is working for you then good.

The big thing with the 180s is you can make mistakes in these and still be ok. You won't consistently be getting punished when you make one. Use these to experiment and plug leaks in your game.

im pretty good at these things, sharkscope if u wish... havent played in the last 3 months since coming to college though just starting back up... its so basic... open with top ten hands early and repop with AA KK QQ AK.. call with small pairs hope for set... once u double and get in middle loosen up a bit... then obviously punish the bubble, and i like to tighten after the bubble and wait for the happy to be in the money people to go out... and loosen up a bit again... hit a few hands top 3 is pretty easy

how many have you played

tight is not wrong in these... other styles may work but to say tight is wrong is absolutely ridiculus