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  1. currier58 currier58 is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 8:27pm)

    this is first level of the 1k. what is your play???

    pokerstars Game #11366417423: Tournament #57255791, $1000+$50 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/08/07 - 20:16:17 (ET)
    Table '57255791 27' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: bonzo9876 (2925 in chips)
    Seat 2: bigegypt (3040 in chips)
    Seat 3: The A-bag (2645 in chips)
    Seat 4: gator93 (2485 in chips)
    Seat 5: chiefs2458 (2950 in chips)
    Seat 6: bastet2004 (3780 in chips)
    Seat 7: josh prager (3660 in chips)
    Seat 8: nenita02 (2110 in chips)
    Seat 9: zangbezan24 (3405 in chips)
    gator93: posts small blind 15
    chiefs2458: posts big blind 30
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to chiefs2458 [9s 9c]
    bastet2004: folds
    josh prager: raises 60 to 90
    nenita02: folds
    zangbezan24: folds
    bonzo9876: folds
    bigegypt: calls 90
    The A-bag: folds
    gator93: folds
    chiefs2458: calls 60
    *** FLOP *** [Qc 9d Th]
    chiefs2458: checks
    josh prager: checks
    bigegypt: bets 180
    chiefs2458: calls 180
    josh prager: calls 180
    *** TURN *** [Qc 9d Th] [Qd]
    chiefs2458: checks
    josh prager: checks
    bigegypt: bets 450
    chiefs2458: calls 450
    josh prager: raises 2940 to 3390 and is all-in
    bigegypt: folds
     
  2. Nips89 Nips89 is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 8:28pm) in reply to currier58

    I would call, this really looks like AQ to me.
  3. currier58 currier58 is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 8:35pm) in reply to currier58

    when this flop hit I was sure I wasn't going to over commit myself to this hand, but after the turn action I wasn't so sure. I was actually most afraid that BigEgypt had KJ on the flop which is why I flat called the flop.
     
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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 8:37pm) in reply to currier58

    im callin if he has 1010 oh well fuck it
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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 8:41pm) in reply to currier58

    I call here definitely looks like AQ. Only reasonable hand we can put him on that beats us is 1010. More combinations of AQ, call!
  6. dudebud13 dudebud13 is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 8:51pm) in reply to irunBAD

    im guessing Q10 cuz prager is in top 15 n i cant seeu anywhere :S
    tough hand
  7. currier58 currier58 is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 10:59pm) in reply to currier58

    I would really appreciate it if some top ranked players could give me thier opinion on this hand.
     
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  8. mattg1983 mattg1983 is offline buying action

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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 11:02pm) in reply to currier58

    u mean easy hand?
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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 11:03pm) in reply to currier58

    raise pre
    lead out flop - if reraised commit all your chips here
    bet the turn - fold when you get repopped

    the power of information...tough hand.
  10. currier58 currier58 is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 11:03pm) in reply to mattg1983

    so you would fold matt????
     
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  11. mattg1983 mattg1983 is offline buying action

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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 11:05pm) in reply to currier58

    um no
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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 11:12pm) in reply to dudebud13

    dude come on dont post that shit man
     
  13. currier58 currier58 is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 11:14pm) in reply to mattg1983

    alright......I played this hand so slow bc I was scared of BE having KJ so I was just going to check call down. Once I called the turn he instashoved and it completely threw me off. I ended up calling thinking he had AQ, KQ, or KJ. He did have AQ and rivered a 10 to win the pot, but thats not why I posted. I just really didn't know for sure if a call was the right move at this point in the tourney so I was looking for advice.
     
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  14. mattg1983 mattg1983 is offline buying action

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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 11:17pm) in reply to tammypoker01

    thats pretty shitty advice
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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 11:18pm) in reply to currier58

    I'd put JP's range on AQ+, maybe 88+
    on flop he check/calls, which obv could mean slow playing 10x3 or Qx3
    on the turn, prager checks again and lets egypt bet, but pushes in, so..

    you could put him on AQ, although I would probably be more likely to say 1010 or even QQ a possibility, although obv unlikely. I don't think 9's full is really a hand you can lay down here, and just have to take it if he has quads or 10's full. his check/call flop and check/raise all in on turn is obv representing a big hand.

    i think its a situation where you have to call, and based on pragers 3x pre raise and the check-call, check-raise, i'd say hes on AQ with 1010 maybe 5%
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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 11:20pm) in reply to currier58

    boats like this dont come along everyday... sure you got the smallest one, but in this kinda of case I call and think a v large portion of the time the opp has trips only with a draw to a bigger boat, and only sometimes are you left drawing to your one out. and if so, thats poker i guess.

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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 11:21pm) in reply to MSHPhenom

    just saw he did have AQ and hit the river, unlucky
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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 11:21pm) in reply to currier58

    tough hand, not sure who could every fold the turn, im wondering if this hand wouldve stuck out if the river was a red deuce....ya know
     
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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 11:29pm) in reply to MSHPhenom

    OMG, you guys fold a full house here?

    I think you guys make these comments in a forum, but if you were actually in the hand you would call.
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    Aug 8th, 2007 (8/8/2007 12:57am) in reply to MSHPhenom

    The more I think about it the more I think it is a pretty clear call MSH. I think you do have to put Q10 and KJ in his range however since it was the first level. Alot of ppl are raising wide ranges to try to hit a big flop and bust someone. I really didn't think he had 10 10 bc I think most players are going to lead out or checkraise the flop with a set. I think you were right about me being beat a small percentage of the time, but I think it is Q10 much more often than 10 10
     
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    Aug 8th, 2007 (8/8/2007 1:00am) in reply to darkcheck_

    i think i would re raise flop/try to get it all in because the board is kind of draw heavy. easy call on that turn shove.
     
  22. jalman1 jalman1 is offline

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    Aug 8th, 2007 (8/8/2007 1:07am) in reply to SN8WMAN

    <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=4 width="100%" bgColor=#ffffff border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#eeeedd><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top> </TD><TD>Re(2): 1k, tough hand
    by tammypoker01 on 8/7/2007 22:03 </TD><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD><NOBR> </NOBR></TD><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffff><TD bgColor=#ffffff></TD><TD colSpan=2><TABLE cellPadding=2 border=0 celspacing="0"><TBODY><TR><TD>raise pre
    lead out flop - if reraised commit all your chips here
    bet the turn - fold when you get repopped

    the power of information...tough hand.
    </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=4 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=4 width="100%" bgColor=#ffffff border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#eeeedd><TD bgColor=#ffffff></TD><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top> </TD><TD>Re(3): 1k, tough hand
    by mattg1983 on 8/7/2007 22:17 </TD><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD><NOBR> </NOBR></TD><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffff><TD bgColor=#ffffff></TD><TD colSpan=2><TABLE cellPadding=2 border=0 celspacing="0"><TBODY><TR><TD>thats pretty shitty advice </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
    Tammy i the freerolls but that is the completely wrong way to play that hand...on pretty much every street
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    Aug 8th, 2007 (8/8/2007 1:11am) in reply to currier58

    You're losing to three hands here, one of which probably never plays it that fast, one of which probably never raises utg +1. think for 3 secs and call, or don't play a $1k cuz it's not in your BR
     
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    Aug 8th, 2007 (8/8/2007 1:13am) in reply to jalman1

    seriously that was horrible girl
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    Aug 8th, 2007 (8/8/2007 4:04am) in reply to currier58

    k here is another way of thinking about how u played the hand.

    u checked the flop trying to induce someone to reraise so that you could shove.

    the only hand you're afraid of on that flop was kj and it being 3way thats a slight possibility. hence the check on the flop. no way you're folding even on the flop if they both dont go in before you.

    when the board paired up on the turn you got what you wanted and he shoved. now you go into you're shell because you didnt think at all that would happen. if he really did the higher boat i dont see him shoving like this for value. i see KJ more often with this shove then queensfull. i believe you're over analyzing this hand. pretty simple in my opinion.
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    Aug 8th, 2007 (8/8/2007 4:06am) in reply to currier58

    I call the turn for sure, and I really hate not raising this flop, can't really see any excuse for it.
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    Aug 8th, 2007 (8/8/2007 4:07am) in reply to shane3769

    f 3 seconds i hover over the call button anxiously waiting to get my chips in
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  28. mr. menlo mr. menlo is offline

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    Aug 8th, 2007 (8/8/2007 4:11am) in reply to currier58

    i also really hate pragers line in this hand, pretty poorly played hand.
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    Aug 8th, 2007 (8/8/2007 4:50am) in reply to currier58

    I guess c/r flop is fine to squeeze egypt but I'd usually just lead flops like this.
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  30. mr. menlo mr. menlo is offline

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    Aug 8th, 2007 (8/8/2007 4:52am) in reply to busto_soon

    yea i guess leading is good too, but calling is def bad.
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