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1st hand in 50/50 w/ AK (now w/ results)

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  1. Wishwash Wishwash is offline

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    Feb 20th, 2008 (2/20/2008 8:44am)

    FTP 50/50 the first hand i'm in BB w/ AK. folds to button, he open shoves 1st hand of tournament. Do you fold AK everytime? or are we calling erytime???? for results scroll down
  2. louiemdj louiemdj is offline

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    Feb 20th, 2008 (2/20/2008 8:48am) in reply to Wishwash

    I'm probably calling a shove from the button on the 1st hand, but what do I know?
  3. elusively elusively is offline

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    Feb 20th, 2008 (2/20/2008 8:51am) in reply to Wishwash

    I call, if he has AA or KK oh well.
  4. d1am0ndc d1am0ndc is offline

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    Feb 20th, 2008 (2/20/2008 8:59am) in reply to elusively

    so it would be acceptable if he had QQ???
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    Feb 20th, 2008 (2/20/2008 9:08am) in reply to Wishwash

    i think it is an easy call personally..........

    but you can answer the question yourself. Are you going to be pissed if you lose the hand - if so fold an play your usual game - so what you lose your blind?

    Personally I smap call - with the excpetion of 2 hands (AA &KK) - you are AT WORST 50/50

    If you think you would be pissed with losing the hand - coin flip or not - then pass
     
  6. MUPokerPlayer MUPokerPlayer is offline

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    Feb 20th, 2008 (2/20/2008 9:12am) in reply to Wishwash

    just fold, in a med/higher stakes tourney like this, you are unlikely to find someone pushing anything other than AA/KK/AK/QQ on the first hand, IMO.
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    Feb 20th, 2008 (2/20/2008 9:12am) in reply to Wishwash

    call.
     
  8. Wishwash Wishwash is offline

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    Feb 20th, 2008 (2/20/2008 9:27am) in reply to MUPokerPlayer

    unless the person sattyed into the tourney. MU your read is way off on this one (i thought the same thing), i mean, that's the logical thought, but we are not always dealing w/ logical people.
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    Feb 20th, 2008 (2/20/2008 9:37am) in reply to Wishwash

    if its the button or cutoff...insta-snap fall out of chair call..the 50/50 is not particularly deep at 2k..and the tourney plays a lot more fun when you chip up to 4k in level 1. from any other position i do a quick poker ranking search and then re-evaluate.
     
  10. Glo4m Glo4m is offline Confess to me

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    Feb 20th, 2008 (2/20/2008 11:08am) in reply to larrygold

    results plz
  11. hawks44bball hawks44bball is offline

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    Feb 20th, 2008 (2/20/2008 11:30am) in reply to Wishwash

    run his OPR/db him and see how his results are. if his numbers are ok then fold, but if not call. i call without looking up his #s though.
  12. wny2nyc47 wny2nyc47 is offline

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    Feb 20th, 2008 (2/20/2008 12:12pm) in reply to hawks44bball

    I'd be shocked if anyone making this play had good results. Regardless of what OPR says, this is a snap call.
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    Feb 20th, 2008 (2/20/2008 12:14pm) in reply to Wishwash

    Snap call. *pumps fist*
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    Feb 20th, 2008 (2/20/2008 12:17pm) in reply to hawks44bball

    Of course you fold. Of course. Absolutely positively 100% of course.
    You have absolutely no idea who this player is, and one of my favorite things to do is ridiculously overbet the pot I pick up AA/KK within the first 5 hands of any medium stakes tournament (26-100). If he turns out to be shoving every hand, then oh well. But as we found out from a thread earlier this week by the 1k Monday second place finisher (don't remember the name), folding big hands early = live to fight another day. Calling when you have doubts = you may be in, and you may be out. You start the 50/50 with 100 bbs and it has 12 minute rounds. Drop it like it's hot, and fight another day.
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    Feb 20th, 2008 (2/20/2008 12:23pm) in reply to rayspizza

    dont think i'm calling, hes only going to show up with a PP or AK.
     
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    Feb 20th, 2008 (2/20/2008 12:29pm) in reply to crapshot1

    no way he is only 22+, AK
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    Feb 20th, 2008 (2/20/2008 12:30pm) in reply to elusively

    way to early to call with AK imo...if he has a pair you are a dog...why do that.
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    Feb 20th, 2008 (2/20/2008 12:39pm) in reply to TheRiverHatesMe

    because you're already a dog to win the event.

    if he shopwed you QQ a call would be correct
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    Feb 20th, 2008 (2/20/2008 1:16pm) in reply to Wishwash

    call and load more tables
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    Feb 20th, 2008 (2/20/2008 1:52pm) in reply to crapshot1

    not true at all man.... this really could be anything the first level in a tourney from an unknown believe it or not.
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    Feb 20th, 2008 (2/20/2008 1:56pm) in reply to FlopNutsOnYou

    lol I guess if its a friday or saturday night a call is correct
     
  22. driftdc5 driftdc5 is offline

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    Feb 20th, 2008 (2/20/2008 2:03pm) in reply to Wishwash

    why would you call? you are MAYBE flipping almost never ahead.
    easily find a better spot

    best,
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    EDIT: wasnt there an article about this earlier in the year?
     
  23. elusively elusively is offline

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    Feb 20th, 2008 (2/20/2008 2:06pm) in reply to driftdc5

    If we're thinking of the same article, it was about a person having QQ and narrowing an open-shovers range to ONLY AK. The article said it was a clear call for anyone, regardless of how big of an edge they may or may not have over the field.

    This is a little different, but I'm still getting it in w/ AK. I think there are times when you are ahead. I've seen people show A10+ KJs+ 22+ after moves like this, but I've never played the 50/50.
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    Feb 20th, 2008 (2/20/2008 2:17pm) in reply to elusively

    ok thanks for all the responses. It seems like about %75 percent say (snap) call, which i did. He flips over, ready for this --------------------------- 8 10s - WHAT WHAT WHAT!!!!!!! he of course hit the 10 on flop.... now this isnt a bad beat post, i just wanted to see what the right play is. I thought about folding for a split sec, but i just felt I was ahead. I mean why would he open shove KK or AA??? OH well LOL@DONKAMENTS
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  25. crapshot1 crapshot1 is offline

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    Feb 20th, 2008 (2/20/2008 2:20pm) in reply to Wishwash

    lol guess i was way off. Odd play thats for sure.
     
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    Feb 20th, 2008 (2/20/2008 2:31pm) in reply to crapshot1

    he's obviously on monkey tilt and AK crushes a monkey tilt shoving range
  27. relderretep relderretep is offline

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    Feb 20th, 2008 (2/20/2008 5:22pm) in reply to onlinehandle

    I hate it when these incredibly dumb moves get rewarded. Just insane. Seems to happen occasionally at medium stakes.

    Something similarly dumb happened to me a couple of weeks ago: Pretty deep into a 10$ rebuy close to the money a guy called my AK 9BB-open-shove for 80% of his stack with 27o and caught a deuce to bust me. I was maaaad!!!
     
  28. icucanucme icucanucme is offline

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    Feb 20th, 2008 (2/20/2008 8:55pm) in reply to relderretep

    I have a question for you, OP. When you got called, and he showed 8 10 suited, what was your _second_ thought (first was obviously wtf)? How did you feel seeing his hand?
    I still maintain that the lack of info, the fact that it was the first hand, etc, dictated a fold. You have an M of, what.... 67? And if he starts shoving every third hand, then you know that you can start calling with more marginal stuff, and AQ/K would be a nanosecondcall. Ascertain the feel of the table, then start making decisions, not guesses.
  29. Wishwash Wishwash is offline

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    Feb 21st, 2008 (2/21/2008 8:35am) in reply to icucanucme

    When I saw him flip over 810, my thought process was "WTF - what a moron", I was sorta happy my "non-read" was correct.(i just felt i was ahead, that's my read.LOLOL) and before the flop even came out, i Knew he was gonna hit his hand. It happens to me WAYYYYYY too often. I lose with the best hand way MORE OFTEN than i win WITH THE BEST. So, in retrospect, yeah I could/should have folded AK the 1st hand of the 50/50 and "just moved on", but i guess i'm just not that disciplined, (yet)
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