Check out our brand new Local Poker Communities! Get updates and interact with poker players in your area.
Visit the United States Poker Community | Visit the California Poker Community | Read more about the Launch of P5s Local

2/4 nlh kinda deep. How horrible is this fold?

Reply to Thread
  1. ProfitCenter ProfitCenter is offline

    Raleigh, NC
    United States

    Posts: 161
    Joined: Jul 07

    Jan 3rd, 2010 (1/3/2010 5:39pm)

    hh below. was formatted wrong here
  2. ProfitCenter ProfitCenter is offline

    Raleigh, NC
    United States

    Posts: 161
    Joined: Jul 07

    Jan 3rd, 2010 (1/3/2010 5:40pm) in reply to ProfitCenter

    wtf is wrong with my hh?
    Thread Starter
  3. Superleggera Superleggera is online now

    Memphis, TN
    United States

    Posts: 3,613
    Joined: Jul 08

    Jan 3rd, 2010 (1/3/2010 5:42pm) in reply to ProfitCenter

    do you have a mac? Prob why...

    <input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">
  4. ProfitCenter ProfitCenter is offline

    Raleigh, NC
    United States

    Posts: 161
    Joined: Jul 07

    Jan 3rd, 2010 (1/3/2010 5:46pm) in reply to Superleggera

    Full Tilt Poker Game #17312805164: Table Welfare (heads up) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:34:04 ET - 2010/01/03
    Seat 1: Darnok Evoli ($432.50)
    Seat 2: ProfitCenter ($710.60)
    ProfitCenter posts the small blind of $2
    Darnok Evoli posts the big blind of $4
    The button is in seat #2
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to ProfitCenter [Kh Qd]
    ProfitCenter raises to $12
    Darnok Evoli calls $8
    *** FLOP *** [Kc Ad Qc]
    Darnok Evoli checks
    ProfitCenter has 15 seconds left to act
    ProfitCenter bets $12
    Darnok Evoli raises to $44
    ProfitCenter calls $32
    *** TURN *** [Kc Ad Qc] [3d]
    Darnok Evoli bets $99
    ProfitCenter has 15 seconds left to act
    ProfitCenter has requested TIME
    ProfitCenter folds
    Uncalled bet of $99 returned to Darnok Evoli
    Darnok Evoli mucks
    Darnok Evoli wins the pot ($111.50)
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $112 | Rake $0.50
    Board: [Kc Ad Qc 3d]
    Seat 1: Darnok Evoli (big blind) collected ($111.50), mucked
    Seat 2: ProfitCenter (small blind) folded on the Turn
    Thread Starter
  5. fly44 fly44 is offline

    United States

    Posts: 2,388
    Joined: May 08

    Jan 3rd, 2010 (1/3/2010 5:51pm) in reply to ProfitCenter

    I dont play HU too often but I think fold here is terrible. Basically the only hand you are afraid of is JT. Unless there is more information you have that you aren't sharing, I think fold is horrible.
    521 1
  6. PhenomJeff PhenomJeff is offline

    Canada

    Posts: 431
    Joined: Jun 08

    Jan 3rd, 2010 (1/3/2010 5:53pm) in reply to ProfitCenter

    AQ, AK he 3bets pre if hes a regular 100% so he has J10, Axcc or bluff.

    A2cc-A9cc prob wouldn't 3bet pre so you're way behidn to A3cc.

    Fold is fine, call on turn is awkward because with his stack hes shoving his remaining ~250$ on a lot of rivers.

    IMO
  7. CSU_Shark CSU_Shark is offline

    North Highlands, CA
    United States

    Posts: 550
    Joined: Nov 07

    Jan 3rd, 2010 (1/3/2010 5:59pm) in reply to ProfitCenter

    why no 3bet on the flop?
  8. bdluss bdluss is offline

    Posts: 1,331
    Joined: Apr 05

    Jan 3rd, 2010 (1/3/2010 6:00pm) in reply to PhenomJeff

    You either fold here, or you need to plan on calling the river. I figure he is going to ship most rivers, so your $99 call is essentially a $350 call.

    The thing here is, how is this player. Is he capable of trapping with a big hand preflop with Ak, KK, AA??? If not, then I am inclined to go with the hand. And since I am going to go with the hand I am raising all in on this turn to make the Ax of clubs hand (the most likely hand besides 10J), pay the full price to try and draw out.
     
  9. PhenomJeff PhenomJeff is offline

    Canada

    Posts: 431
    Joined: Jun 08

    Jan 3rd, 2010 (1/3/2010 6:00pm) in reply to CSU_Shark

     
    Originally Posted by CSU_Shark View Post

    why no 3bet on the flop?

    don't 3bet the flop ever...doubt you play cash saying this.

    if he 3bets and guy shoves are you willing to get QK in here...prob not, flat is correct imo
  10. ProfitCenter ProfitCenter is offline

    Raleigh, NC
    United States

    Posts: 161
    Joined: Jul 07

    Jan 3rd, 2010 (1/3/2010 6:03pm) in reply to CSU_Shark

     
    Originally Posted by CSU_Shark View Post

    why no 3bet on the flop?

    Well i def thought about 3 betting flop but if i do then im putting in enough that im prob just not folding on turn or river. I really thought i was behind when i called the repop and was hopping he plz had naked clubs and check turn. I mean there are 6 hand that beat me and didnt think the 7th best had was good for a 100 bb stack.
    Thread Starter
  11. ABorges ABorges is offline

    Sines
    Portugal

    Posts: 272
    Joined: Jul 08

    Jan 3rd, 2010 (1/3/2010 7:30pm) in reply to ProfitCenter

    I'm not a 2/4 HU expert by any means. I think unless there's a read or some history involved your line is fine... after stoving and giving him a range of JT, Acxc and some gutshots + flush draws you have around 32% equity, which really sucks because he'll probably fire on the river again a large % of the time. If a club comes you'll lose to 100% of his range and if it comes a blank you'll still only have around 35% equity.

    Unless you hit a fullhouse you're very uncomfortable even in position... calling with the intention of folding the river seems really bad, calling with the intention of calling non club river seems even worse and I can't think of any other line that looks +EV. It seems kinda weird folding what seems like a great hand, especially HU... but in a vacuum I think it's the best option.
  12. PhenomJeff PhenomJeff is offline

    Canada

    Posts: 431
    Joined: Jun 08

    Jan 3rd, 2010 (1/3/2010 7:53pm) in reply to ABorges

     
    Originally Posted by ABorges View Post

    I'm not a 2/4 HU expert by any means. I think unless there's a read or some history involved your line is fine... after stoving and giving him a range of JT, Acxc and some gutshots + flush draws you have around 32% equity, which really sucks because he'll probably fire on the river again a large % of the time. If a club comes you'll lose to 100% of his range and if it comes a blank you'll still only have around 35% equity.

    Unless you hit a fullhouse you're very uncomfortable even in position... calling with the intention of folding the river seems really bad, calling with the intention of calling non club river seems even worse and I can't think of any other line that looks +EV. It seems kinda weird folding what seems like a great hand, especially HU... but in a vacuum I think it's the best option.

    spot on
  13. Arizona Bay Arizona Bay is offline

    IL
    United States

    Posts: 461
    Joined: Feb 06

    Jan 3rd, 2010 (1/3/2010 8:27pm) in reply to PhenomJeff

    I would almost never fold here his range should be much wider than some are asserting. You made a really small c bet so he could have a decent amount of air in his range that he's following through with on the turn. He is also very likely to continue with any flush draw, some random combo draws and maybe some dry aces for value. It seems like you should be able to exclude alot of better made hands given his flat pre-flop unless you have some specific read that he's willing to trap with premium hands oop I'm relatively comfortable shoving here.
  14. AFink93 AFink93 is offline

    Norwich, CT
    United States

    Posts: 14,381
    Joined: Mar 06

    Jan 3rd, 2010 (1/3/2010 9:06pm) in reply to ProfitCenter

    If your practicing good game selection. I would avoid him HU. Hes pretty good.
Reply to Thread