Just get up and go to the bathroom at this point..

Just edited with approx stack sizes.

It was definitely a tough spot, I figured it was an allin or fold situation. I wanna get a few more opinions and I'll post what happened. Sorry spacemandave dont play AC, so cant suggest anywhere.

 

Originally Posted by AFink93

Just get up and go to the bathroom at this point..

I dunno. If I read your thread right. It goes raise call call reraise and call call.. And you only have 5 bucks invested.. Seems like the easiest fold ever. I know its a live game but still especially with the series going on there are going to be a few good players at teh games.. More than usual I guess.

 

Originally Posted by rizzle

I guess I should've went to the bathroom...here's what went down. I decided to shove, got called by original raiser everyone folded the lag/genius went to muck but accidentally flipped his cards QJo. I lose the pot, original raiser had KK. thanks for your opinions.

Shove or fold for sure mang.

Stacks too small for anything else.

Can't give a real answer to this either other than shove/fold without a lot for details as far as reads on players in hand.

Before I scrolled down I said in my head read is on original raiser and if he has a big pair.......

NH

Wait, am I reading the action correct here?

 

Originally Posted by BigStack Husker

I havent played 2/5 live just 1/3 NL but shoving JJ pre with that many people and that much money in the pot already just seems like a pretty bad move. Maybe if the one guy didnt flat ahead of you and it was just the lagtard it would be ok but when that guy flatted out of turn I muck the Jacks.

the reasons u just listed is why you would raise with JJ

 

Originally Posted by Etrain99

 

Originally Posted by BigStack Husker

I havent played 2/5 live just 1/3 NL but shoving JJ pre with that many people and that much money in the pot already just seems like a pretty bad move. Maybe if the one guy didnt flat ahead of you and it was just the lagtard it would be ok but when that guy flatted out of turn I muck the Jacks.

the reasons u just listed is why you would raise with JJ

I just think its a spew to get in 600 bucks preflop with JJ in that game.

This is probably a fold, but it's hard to give legit advice on a hand that is based so much on the dynamic of the table, how the 3-bettor had been reacting to it, how he'd been playing overall, etc. Typically 2/5 doesn't play super aggro (and hasn't the times I've played it at Venetian this summer), and almost everyone's 3-betting range is very tight... but there are def games where this may not be true.

And I have no idea what LAG/Genius means.

edit: if the 3-bettor is a euro, value jam.

as most state, this is shove / fold spot.

i think i am probably leaning towards folding until i notice that both guys just flat the raise to 120. at that point, if the guy did that out of turn on purpose, then he is working harder for his money than me that night as i won't put either of the two guys behind me on anything better than jj, and at this point, i lean towards a shove.

the real problem is we don't know enough about our opponents and their tendencies to flat or 3 bet and the frequencies of both. w/o this information, it is difficult to narrow down ranges and figure out whether shoving or folding is the correct play.

JD

If you say the guy who popped it up to 120 is a LAG/genius then i would say it is def a shove by you really just looking more not to get called by one of the original obv b/c if he knows what he's doing then it is def a great spot by him to raise to pick up all the dead money from all the limpers/ You def have plenty of fold equity esp if he is raising with air and by getting all folds you increase your stack by over 33 percent. You never said what his position was but if he is in the cut or the button i would def do a shove where more often then not your gonna take the whole pot without any showdown.

 

Originally Posted by Pockettrees

This def seems like a fold. Table dynamics and previous pots play a large factor so since this is unknown to us, I'm gunna take the side to flat here. You should mostly be worried about the original raiser and the genius raiser. If you flat here I see you saving $480. If you flat, the original raiser is re-raising a substanial size. In your spot you can see what everyone else does behind. If kk flats, and comes 8 hi, your stackin off. 95% kings is making it 300+ and ur folding. If it happens to come J hi, your in a large multi way pot with a good percentage of winning a monster.

please do not do this

shove or fold depending on your read on the LAG - has he squeezed light b4????
also you should know which type of LAG he is - oftentimes LAG's will open many pots but they won't 3 bet or squeeze light cuz they are aware of their image which allows them to get paid off in spots like this

so that being said, if you've seen him 3 betting a lot just shove - otherwise i fold in a vacuum with no reads