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2 Hands from $33 Deepstack that railed me - please comment

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  1. Electric_Eye Electric_Eye is offline

    Garden City, MI
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    Mar 13th, 2006 (3/13/2006 9:08pm)

    Spent a few minutes reviewing hands from a deepstack tonight. These two were the only ones that stood out (out of 160+) that looked even remotely close to bad play... and only because I couldn't get away when I felt I might be beat.

    Comments are appreciated.

    Hand 1

    Level 5 (3rd Hour) of a $33 Deepstack on Stars. I've been playing fairly tight, not showing down anything less than premium hands. I have limped a time or two in traffic in LP, folding down when missing the flop, but haven't shown a bluff.

    Villian is a fairly TAG player, but has some moves, and isn't afraid to put a loose caller-better on mark. He's lost a couple pots with decent hands to a calling station at seat 8, and is down about 4,000 chips in the last 7 hands.

    The following hand came up:

    pokerstars GAME #4278913311: TOURNAMENT #21184489, HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL V (75/150) - 2006/03/13 - 20:35:37 (ET)
    Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 1: (7625 in chips)
    Seat 2: (18040 in chips)
    Seat 3: (5970 in chips)
    Seat 4: VILLAIN (8665 in chips)
    Seat 5: HERO (16725 in chips)
    Seat 6: (5395 in chips)
    Seat 7: (17265 in chips)
    Seat 8: (6438 in chips)
    Seat 9: (11915 in chips)
    Seat 6: posts small blind 75
    Seat 7: posts big blind 150
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to HERO [7c 5c]
    Seat 8: folds
    Seat 9: calls 150
    Seat 1: folds
    Seat 2: folds
    Seat 3: folds
    Seat 4 VILLAIN: calls 150
    Seat 5 HERO: calls 150
    Seat 6: folds
    Seat 7: checks
    *** FLOP *** [8c 9h 6c]
    Seat 7: checks
    Seat 9: checks
    Seat 4 VILLAIN: bets 450
    Seat 5 HERO: calls 450
    Seat 7: folds
    Seat 9: folds
    *** TURN *** [8c 9h 6c] [5s]
    VILLAIN: bets 1350
    HERO: raises 1350 to 2700
    VILLAIN: calls 1350
    *** RIVER *** [8c 9h 6c 5s] [5d]
    VILLAIN: bets 1650
    HERO: calls 1650
    *** SHOW DOWN *** (In White below)
    VILLAIN: shows [6d 6s] (a full house, Sixes full of Fives)
    HERO: mucks hand
    brain31 collected 10275 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 10275 | Rake 0
    Board [8c 9h 6c 5s 5c]

    I've looked at this a couple times, but I don't see how I could've played this better. Outside of the min-raise on the turn (which I did to build the pot), I don't see anything really questionable. I was ahead the whole hand until the river hit, and only then did I fear I was beat, but I couldn't possibly lay it down (right?)

    Hand 2

    Level 7 (4th hour), same tourney

    Still playing fairly tight and showing only good hands out-of-position, the following hand occurred. Big blind has been fairly active over 50 hands, VPiP of 29%, has shown down KK (PFR-MP), JJ (PFR-LP), AJo (Limp-LP), JTo (4X raise call, SB)

    POKERSTARS GAME #4279289197: TOURNAMENT #21184489, HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VI (100/200) - 2006/03/13 - 21:05:14 (ET)
    Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: (14524 in chips)
    Seat 2: (19465 in chips)
    Seat 3: (9540 in chips)
    Seat 4: (25291 in chips)
    Seat 5 HERO: (14525 in chips)
    Seat 7: (20315 in chips)
    Seat 8: (5663 in chips)
    Seat 9: (13405 in chips)
    Seat 2: posts small blind 100
    Seat 3 VILLAIN: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to HERO [Qs Qh]
    Seat 4: folds
    Seat 5 HERO: raises 600 to 800
    Seat 6: folds
    Seat 7: folds
    Seat 8: folds
    Seat 9: folds
    Seat 1: folds
    Seat 2 VILLAIN: calls 600
    *** FLOP *** [Kd Qc 9s]
    VILLAIN: checks
    HERO: bets 1000
    VILLAIN: calls 1000
    *** TURN *** [Kd Qc 9s] [4c]
    VILLAIN: checks
    HERO: bets 2400
    VILLAIN: raises 5140 to 8140 and is all-in
    HERO: calls 5140
    *** RIVER *** [Kd Qc 9s 4c] [3c]
    *** SHOW DOWN *** (Below in white)
    VILLAIN: shows [Jd Td] (a straight, Nine to King)
    HERO: shows [Qs Qh] (three of a kind, Queens)
    VILLAIN collected 19180 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 19180 | Rake 0
    Board [Kd Qc 9s 4c 3c]

    Can I predict the future here, knowing this guy just did the same thing 14 hands ago with virtually the same hand on the small blind? Is it possible I lay this down to an unknown player who's shown no aggression thusfar in the hand when he pushes the turn?

    Comments appreciated, thanks.
  2. MetalGod MetalGod is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2006 (3/14/2006 2:34pm) in reply to Electric_Eye

    1st hand...there is a potential flush draw so it is possible he's making that play with 2 clubs (although he wasn't this time). I'd say check-raise the flop and push hard on the turn. Since he has a set, he's probably not going to fold and there's no real avoiding this beat.

    2nd hand...another one where you can't do anything about it. You're losing to only 2 hands and if he had kings, you would expect to see a re-raise preflop. I honestly don't see how you could avoid this hand either. You mention that you don't know the player...certainly not a hand that you would want to lay down. Both hands are bad luck scenarios and against an unknown player they are only more difficult to handle.
  3. lordxixor101 lordxixor101 is offline

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    Mar 16th, 2006 (3/16/2006 1:03pm) in reply to MetalGod

    I'm new, and I probably play for much lower stakes than anyone else in the room. But, both seem tough luck

    Let's be honest, you flopped the straight, he flopped the set. He is putting you on a high pair more than likely, maybe the draw. I don't think you could have gotten him off the hand. Likely, if you go all in after the flop, he would follow you. I'm rather surprised that he didn't play more agressively, with the straight potentially out there and the flush draw, a lot of things could ruin his hand. Overall, bad luck, neither one of you were going to leave the hand.

    2nd, I would just end up repeating MetalGod. Overall, some bad luck. It's like pulling pocket kings when someone pulls pocket aces, you aren't going to fold them pre-flop, just lousy luck. The only saving grace is that it evens out over time.
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