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2 Questions from 2 different perspectives on hand just in the money

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  1. JTMack JTMack is offline

    Alexandria, VA
    United States

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    Jun 6th, 2009 (6/6/2009 6:01pm)

    Background: $109 9am PS tourney...approx 190 entrants, pays 27...mostly sm buyin players.

    The money bubble has just burst which took FOREVER. The previous hand to this one: val d'autan called a sm stack shove (Nappi86) w/ AA and lost to a wheel. The very next hand val d'autan open raises to 3x bb.

    val d'autan has only shown premium hands...playing weak, tight the entire tournament. Stats on this player are little to no money earned in MTT's.

    JTMack11 has been playing TAG whole tournament and only twice shoved on money bubble to steal chips to stay alive (no one called)....money bubble lasted long time. Stats on this player are about $10k since 4/09...doesn't play very much but has cashed well in $55 and $100 buyin events.

    Samadhi16 also playing TAG and shoved twice on $ bubble, getting called once and doubling up. He and JTMack11 had been very short stacked through entire bubble period. Stats on this player are that he has cashed for about $70k last 6 months...and doing well in $55 and $100 buyin events.

    Certainly possible that JTMack11 and Samadhi16 thought val d'autan was tilting after losing w/ AA and quite possibly was opening light...however, he had only been showing premium hands the entire tournament (does this factor and if so how much at this point in the tournament?).

    In analyzing this hand, AND REGARDLESS OF THE RESULTS, I would like you to look at it from 2 different perspectives:

    1. Can and should JTMack11 fold JJ and wait for a better spot?

    2. What do you make of Samadhi16's shove of AQ to a raise and a reraise, with the original raiser left to act who has him covered?

    Thanks kindly!


    pokerstars Game #29019762998: Tournament #168048993, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (500/1000) - 2009/06/05 11:58:41 ET
    Table '168048993 18' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: JTMack11 (11236 in chips)
    Seat 2: samadhi16 (13840 in chips)
    Seat 3: Thomas_21503 (22549 in chips)
    Seat 4: msb97 (9267 in chips)
    Seat 5: d0r1t0s (54221 in chips)
    Seat 6: 6060606060 (19807 in chips)
    Seat 7: Nappi86 (7818 in chips)
    Seat 8: Handicaper26 (83463 in chips)
    Seat 9: val d'autan (18134 in chips)
    JTMack11: posts the ante 100
    samadhi16: posts the ante 100
    Thomas_21503: posts the ante 100
    msb97: posts the ante 100
    d0r1t0s: posts the ante 100
    6060606060: posts the ante 100
    Nappi86: posts the ante 100
    Handicaper26: posts the ante 100
    val d'autan: posts the ante 100
    msb97: posts small blind 500
    d0r1t0s: posts big blind 1000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to JTMack11 [Js Jh]
    6060606060: folds
    Nappi86: folds
    Handicaper26: folds
    val d'autan: raises 2000 to 3000
    JTMack11: raises 8136 to 11136 and is all-in
    samadhi16: raises 2604 to 13740 and is all-in
    Thomas_21503: folds
    msb97: folds
    d0r1t0s: folds
    val d'autan: calls 10740
    *** FLOP *** [Jd 2d 6d]
    *** TURN *** [Jd 2d 6d] [8d]
    *** RIVER *** [Jd 2d 6d 8d] [5s]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    val d'autan: shows [As Kh] (high card Ace)
    samadhi16: shows [Ad Qs] (a flush, Ace high)
    samadhi16 collected 5208 from side pot
    JTMack11: shows [Js Jh] (three of a kind, Jacks)
    samadhi16 collected 35808 from main pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 41016 Main pot 35808. Side pot 5208. | Rake 0
    Board [Jd 2d 6d 8d 5s]
    Seat 1: JTMack11 showed [Js Jh] and lost with three of a kind, Jacks
    Seat 2: samadhi16 showed [Ad Qs] and won (41016) with a flush, Ace high
    Seat 3: Thomas_21503 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: msb97 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 5: d0r1t0s (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 6: 6060606060 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: Nappi86 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: Handicaper26 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: val d'autan showed [As Kh] and lost with high card Ace
  2. odstore odstore is offline

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    Jun 6th, 2009 (6/6/2009 8:27pm) in reply to JTMack

    1.) JTMack11 should never fold JJ there.

    2.) I think the AQ shove is borderline but if val d'autan has been playing weak tight I guess he could fold? Samadhi16 is pretty short stacked but given the reads I think he should be folding here. I think he's even money at best against his opponents' ranges.
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