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2 spots with QQ vs reg facing cold 4b

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  1. l3iRdMaN l3iRdMaN is offline

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    Sep 10th, 2010 (9/10/2010 11:43pm)

    villian is a winning mid/low stakes reg... only have ~50 hands but he seems to be fairly aggressive and competent. what's your play?

    pokerstars Game #49429523297: Tournament #307559312, $20+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXI (700/1400) - 2010/09/10 18:21:48 ET
    Table '307559312 16' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 1: misbilie (36714 in chips)
    Seat 2: BakinC00kies (77676 in chips)
    Seat 3: SNGWizard (72919 in chips)
    Seat 4: spamalotbm (70995 in chips)
    Seat 5: delboy8667 (46738 in chips)
    Seat 6: makros23 (39406 in chips)
    Seat 7: Affrokjell (45306 in chips)
    Seat 8: Rudisan (106181 in chips)
    Seat 9: l3iRdMaN (89979 in chips)
    misbilie: posts the ante 280
    BakinC00kies: posts the ante 280
    SNGWizard: posts the ante 280
    spamalotbm: posts the ante 280
    delboy8667: posts the ante 280
    makros23: posts the ante 280
    Affrokjell: posts the ante 280
    Rudisan: posts the ante 280
    l3iRdMaN: posts the ante 280
    misbilie: posts small blind 700
    BakinC00kies: posts big blind 1400
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to l3iRdMaN [Qs Qc]
    SNGWizard: folds
    spamalotbm: folds
    delboy8667: folds
    makros23: folds
    Affrokjell: raises 2075 to 3475
    Rudisan: folds
    l3iRdMaN: raises 5424 to 8899
    misbilie: folds
    BakinC00kies: raises 6879 to 15778
    Affrokjell: folds
    l3iRdMaN:



    PokerStars Game #49430301059: Tournament #307559312, $20+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIII (1000/2000) - 2010/09/10 18:38:38 ET
    Table '307559312 16' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: misbilie (36764 in chips)
    Seat 2: BakinC00kies (88856 in chips)
    Seat 3: SNGWizard (61155 in chips)
    Seat 4: spamalotbm (72999 in chips)
    Seat 5: delboy8667 (36278 in chips)
    Seat 7: Affrokjell (42722 in chips)
    Seat 8: Rudisan (75054 in chips)
    Seat 9: l3iRdMaN (102780 in chips)
    misbilie: posts the ante 400
    BakinC00kies: posts the ante 400
    SNGWizard: posts the ante 400
    spamalotbm: posts the ante 400
    delboy8667: posts the ante 400
    Affrokjell: posts the ante 400
    Rudisan: posts the ante 400
    l3iRdMaN: posts the ante 400
    spamalotbm: posts small blind 1000
    delboy8667: posts big blind 2000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to l3iRdMaN [Qc Qh]
    Affrokjell: folds
    Rudisan: calls 2000
    l3iRdMaN: raises 4455 to 6455
    misbilie: folds
    BakinC00kies: raises 8100 to 14555
    SNGWizard: folds
    spamalotbm: folds
    delboy8667: folds
    Rudisan: folds
    l3iRdMaN:
    Edited By: l3iRdMaN Sep 11th, 2010 at 12:34 AM
     
  2. poisoneye1986 poisoneye1986 is offline

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    Sep 10th, 2010 (9/10/2010 11:56pm) in reply to l3iRdMaN

    i think hand 1 could be a fold unless you think he 4 bet bluffs here on occasion.

    hand 2 im 4 betting or shoving
  3. el arracachero el arracachero is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2010 (9/11/2010 12:52am) in reply to poisoneye1986

    Hand 1 given late positions is more likely a squezee from the reg in the blind. I am not sure if flatting reveals strenght (your hand) a lot or not and if you flat he spews in the flop or not. Not sure if flatting or shoving is best but fold is out of question.

    Hand 2 Seems also like a bluff because you are isolating a limper. In this case, I dont think shoving accomplishes much. I would flat here and play postflop.
  4. Ace10Suted Ace10Suted is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2010 (9/11/2010 1:30am) in reply to el arracachero

     
    Originally Posted by el arracachero View Post

    Hand 1 given late positions is more likely a squezee from the reg in the blind. I am not sure if flatting reveals strenght (your hand) a lot or not and if you flat he spews in the flop or not. Not sure if flatting or shoving is best but fold is out of question.

    Hand 2 Seems also like a bluff because you are isolating a limper. In this case, I dont think shoving accomplishes much. I would flat here and play postflop.

    Flatting with QQ sucks no matter who you are or how good you are post flop. You're underrepping the hell out of your hand so you have no idea where you stand with an A and/or K flop. If it's like a 9 high flop, you have no idea if they keep pushing TT/JJ or KK/AA, or complete rags. I think flatting is awful in both cases. I probably fold hand 1. Hand 2 I also feel like he is playing on the fact you're raising a limper especially since you say he is agg, and you've shown that. I probably make it like 33K and doubt I fold to a push. Even if he's doing this wide, I'd hate to let him spike something dumb on the flop and then have no clue if we're ahead or not for that pot. I don't know if that's spewy or not, but obv not folding, but definitely not flatting...so that's the only other option aside from r/f, which seems a bit nitty.
  5. el arracachero el arracachero is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2010 (9/11/2010 1:39am) in reply to Ace10Suted

    I disagree with you that in hand 1 you are underepresenting your hand by flatting. I feel if the other player is solid acutally he can narrow your flatting range in that spot to QQ+. I advocate flatting if he is aggresive enough to be squezzing and continue putting chips in the flop as a bluff. Sure the flop can come A or K high, but if the other player is aggresive enough to take a stab it should be worth the the risk since flop coming A or K high is gonna happen less likely than not.

    Dont see bad flatting in hand 2 bad, lets see what more experienced and better mtt players than me say.
  6. l3iRdMaN l3iRdMaN is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2010 (9/11/2010 3:59am) in reply to el arracachero

     
    Originally Posted by el arracachero View Post

    Hand 1 given late positions is more likely a squezee from the reg in the blind. I am not sure if flatting reveals strenght (your hand) a lot or not and if you flat he spews in the flop or not. Not sure if flatting or shoving is best but fold is out of question.

    Hand 2 Seems also like a bluff because you are isolating a limper. In this case, I dont think shoving accomplishes much. I would flat here and play postflop.


    i agree that we're never folding here. i guess my question is do ppl prefer to flat and play postflop hoping he spews or 5bet? and if we 5b do you do something weird like click it back to maybe induce or just ship it? results of the 1st hand below

    pokerstars Game #49430301059: Tournament #307559312, $20+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIII (1000/2000) - 2010/09/10 18:38:38 ET
    Table '307559312 16' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: misbilie (36764 in chips)
    Seat 2: BakinC00kies (88856 in chips)
    Seat 3: SNGWizard (61155 in chips)
    Seat 4: spamalotbm (72999 in chips)
    Seat 5: delboy8667 (36278 in chips)
    Seat 7: Affrokjell (42722 in chips)
    Seat 8: Rudisan (75054 in chips)
    Seat 9: l3iRdMaN (102780 in chips)
    misbilie: posts the ante 400
    BakinC00kies: posts the ante 400
    SNGWizard: posts the ante 400
    spamalotbm: posts the ante 400
    delboy8667: posts the ante 400
    Affrokjell: posts the ante 400
    Rudisan: posts the ante 400
    l3iRdMaN: posts the ante 400
    spamalotbm: posts small blind 1000
    delboy8667: posts big blind 2000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to l3iRdMaN [Qc Qh]
    Affrokjell: folds
    Rudisan: calls 2000
    l3iRdMaN: raises 4455 to 6455
    misbilie: folds
    BakinC00kies: raises 8100 to 14555
    SNGWizard: folds
    spamalotbm: folds
    delboy8667: folds
    Rudisan: folds
    l3iRdMaN: raises 24020 to 38575
    BakinC00kies: folds
    Uncalled bet (24020) returned to l3iRdMaN
    l3iRdMaN collected 37310 from pot
    l3iRdMaN: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 37310 | Rake 0
    Seat 1: misbilie folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: BakinC00kies folded before Flop
    Seat 3: SNGWizard (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: spamalotbm (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 5: delboy8667 (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 7: Affrokjell folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: Rudisan folded before Flop
    Seat 9: l3iRdMaN collected (37310)


    ok so keeping in mind the fact we 5bet the first hand do you still flat the 2nd? or do we 4bet hoping he spazzes out this time?
    Edited By: l3iRdMaN Sep 11th, 2010 at 04:02 AM
     
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  7. dude904 dude904 is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2010 (9/11/2010 4:06am) in reply to l3iRdMaN

    fuck tim, just put in one more bet then he does and he'll eventually fold
    Edited By: dude904 Sep 11th, 2010 at 04:06 AM
    Reason: btw tim ily
     
  8. l3iRdMaN l3iRdMaN is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2010 (9/11/2010 4:11am) in reply to dude904

     
    Originally Posted by dude904 View Post

    fuck tim, just put in one more bet then he does and he'll eventually fold


    lol hadn't played with him much until tonight but i won't be happy seeing him at my table in the future
    Edited By: l3iRdMaN Sep 11th, 2010 at 04:11 AM
     
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