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  1. OK, looking for some help with this hand. Sitting top 5 with 20 left. My plan was to check raise the flop, works BUT when he reraises is my hand ever good??

    Note -- OBV Playing to win ... dont care if I bubble.

    Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

    pokerstars Game #42010063309: Tournament #258450054, $4.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2010/03/31 21:49:28 ET
    Table '258450054 6' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: devilcrack (9237 in chips)
    Seat 2: julien808 (44236 in chips)
    Seat 3: kabobkl (5501 in chips)
    Seat 4: thabirdman (22458 in chips)
    Seat 5: QuatrilhoBr (12274 in chips)
    Seat 6: DiamondDixi (23639 in chips)
    Seat 9: MisterBrunt (16625 in chips)
    devilcrack: posts the ante 50
    julien808: posts the ante 50
    kabobkl: posts the ante 50
    thabirdman: posts the ante 50
    QuatrilhoBr: posts the ante 50
    DiamondDixi: posts the ante 50
    MisterBrunt: posts the ante 50
    julien808: posts small blind 200
    kabobkl: posts big blind 400
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to thabirdman [Kh Ac]
    thabirdman: raises 650 to 1050
    QuatrilhoBr: folds
    DiamondDixi: calls 1050
    MisterBrunt: folds
    devilcrack: folds
    julien808: folds
    kabobkl: calls 650
    *** FLOP *** [3c 8c Ah]
    kabobkl: checks
    thabirdman: checks
    DiamondDixi: bets 800
    kabobkl: folds
    thabirdman: raises 2400 to 3200
    DiamondDixi: raises 5600 to 8800
    thabirdman: ???????
  2. Never folding here in a 4/180 ever. ever. ever.
  3. Your plan should now be to get it in all the way sir. I play these a lot and am wagering the rest of my available chips.
  4. ive played quite a few of these and i NEVER fold this in a 4.40 even tho he had 8 8 or A 8 or u wouldnt be asking this unless u made the hero laydown
  5. I could never bring myself to fold and I just wanted to make sure every1 else is the same.....bud had 33.
    Thread Starter
  6.  
    Originally Posted by thabirdman View Post

    I could never bring myself to fold and I just wanted to make sure every1 else is the same.....bud had 33.

    Sucks but the beauty is these run like every 10-15 minutes so just load another.
  7. well clearly the limit ur playin is low so the possiblity o f a knowledgeable player is slim - but looks like the old weak lead with a set and when he shovs , hes definetely got set - seen it a 1000 times gl -
     
  8.  
    Originally Posted by TUCCI007 View Post

    well clearly the limit ur playin is low so the possiblity o f a knowledgeable player is slim - but looks like the old weak lead with a set and when he shovs , hes definetely got set - seen it a 1000 times gl -

    <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top align=left rowSpan=2> </TD><TD align=left>TUCCI007 (United States) 4 Posts. Joined 06-21-2007.

    Just wondering but out of all of the posts you ahve read what is it exactly about this post that enticed you to use your keyboard.

    I am truly intrigued
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  9. You know, if you only wonder about whether or not you made the right decision because you lost the hand, it'll be a much longer road to improvement. You can't ever fold in this spot and somewhere deep inside you know this... so many idiots show up with aq, aj, at, 2 clubs here... I don't know why you wouldn't just lead the flop though and hope for a raise from that giant percentage of his range you are crushing...

    Don't be results oriented...
  10.  
    Originally Posted by zander View Post

    You know, if you only wonder about whether or not you made the right decision because you lost the hand, it'll be a much longer road to improvement. You can't ever fold in this spot and somewhere deep inside you know this... so many idiots show up with aq, aj, at, 2 clubs here... I don't know why you wouldn't just lead the flop though and hope for a raise from that giant percentage of his range you are crushing...

    Don't be results oriented...

    I'm def not being results oriented, I've played enough of these and won my fair share that the results arent what i'm talking about.

    i know its only 4.40 and what not (i usually 8 table these) its just the raise made it really seem like he had a set. That being said I'm never folding because of what you said he could easily have AQ AJ and I'm crushing that, which I know.

    Anyways, I appreciate the responses, just wanted to confirm that I made the right play.
    Thread Starter
  11. I really don't see how he'd be playing AQ any differently here. He has a hand, and you check and then raise?

    This sort of hand shows me why I don't want to just check ever in these spots. You aren't getting a huge payday if he has nothing, but your paying him off still everytime. Just cbet normally and play.

    But, once you got fancy, you made yourself look weak, can't scare yourself out of playing now.
  12.  
    Originally Posted by thabirdman View Post

    OK, looking for some help with this hand. Sitting top 5 with 20 left. My plan was to check raise the flop, works BUT when he reraises is my hand ever good??

    Note -- OBV Playing to win ... dont care if I bubble.

    Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

    pokerstars Game #42010063309: Tournament #258450054, $4.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2010/03/31 21:49:28 ET
    Table '258450054 6' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: devilcrack (9237 in chips)
    Seat 2: julien808 (44236 in chips)
    Seat 3: kabobkl (5501 in chips)
    Seat 4: thabirdman (22458 in chips)
    Seat 5: QuatrilhoBr (12274 in chips)
    Seat 6: DiamondDixi (23639 in chips)
    Seat 9: MisterBrunt (16625 in chips)
    devilcrack: posts the ante 50
    julien808: posts the ante 50
    kabobkl: posts the ante 50
    thabirdman: posts the ante 50
    QuatrilhoBr: posts the ante 50
    DiamondDixi: posts the ante 50
    MisterBrunt: posts the ante 50
    julien808: posts small blind 200
    kabobkl: posts big blind 400
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to thabirdman [Kh Ac]
    thabirdman: raises 650 to 1050
    QuatrilhoBr: folds
    DiamondDixi: calls 1050
    MisterBrunt: folds
    devilcrack: folds
    julien808: folds
    kabobkl: calls 650
    *** FLOP *** [3c 8c Ah]
    kabobkl: checks
    thabirdman: checks
    DiamondDixi: bets 800
    kabobkl: folds
    thabirdman: raises 2400 to 3200
    DiamondDixi: raises 5600 to 8800
    thabirdman: ???????

    I've been playing these a decent amount lately and I'll check the guy on opr to help decide how to proceed. I don't know anything about DiamondDixi, but I can definitely find a fold here to a competent player and there are definitely a few competent grinders in these. He was getting reasonable implied odds of 20:1+ to setmine here. Look at his line, it's exceptionally strong. Assuming he's competent he's folding A8 and A3 preflop and you know deep down when you make this call he is showing up with 88 or 33. If his stats suck I snap call though as hands like AQ, AJ are certainly possibilities as others have suggested.
  13. First off I'm a she not a he, LOL and had you checked my stats you would have seen that I am pretty solid but over a smallish sample (700+ games) since I've only been playing on stars regularly for a couple of months (formerly played more on FTP and Cake). I remember this hand well and found it on my PT3 to be sure it was the one I remembered. I don't always play 33 to a raise at this level but with your stack I was definitely getting 20 to 1 so I called.

    When you re-raised me I figured you for some kind of ace and figured I could get your stack here. If I remember right you were pretty solid so I figured it was a strong ace.

    This would have been a hard fold IMO. According to PT3 we had played only 23 hands at this point so I doubt you had much of a read on me. I doubt seriously many players could have folded your hand in this case. Sorry for the beat - I went on to finish 4th.
  14. def get it in sir, A k on that flop looks good to me..
  15. jam pre imo
  16.  
    Originally Posted by DiamondDixi View Post

    First off I'm a she not a he

    You are a man until you prove otherwise.

    Pics immed
  17. Raise more pre for value. Lead out for value..

    You check/raise because you show strength correct? So someone four bets you and you dont give them credit? Hmm.. Oh well.
  18. I've played these twice I think, over 2yrs. ago. Prior to seeing result I was asking myself, "do you think we really get someone with worse to call us when we ship it in here in this spot?" I don't think so but then again, I'm not familiar with these tourneys. It really does look like a weak lead w set, especially when villain re-raises us. Is it worth stopping to think in these games, "what does villain think I have, what does villian think I think he thinks I have".
    What other hands would fit this situation here? (hands they're not re-raising us w pre).
  19. plz dont fold
     
  20.  
    Originally Posted by Gollihez View Post

    jam pre imo

    Jam 56bb? That's definitely not the best play here. We should be playing our AK for value and shipping 56bb with AK is not going to get us value. In this case he lost to my set but in most instances he's going to be good on this flop and he would have at least picked up my pre-flop call here. Had he shoved I would have folded my 33 and he wouldn't have busted out but in most cases he would have picked up chips that he would have lost with a shove.

    Also to those of you who say to call here in some cases that is the best play but in this case against someone who plays as tight as I do it would have been a good idea to stop and think what I might have that beats him. Not being able lay down TPTK is a definite leak in my game as well as many others.

    Is TPTK always worth your tournament life? NO and especially not 2 away from the bubble.
  21.  
    Originally Posted by DiamondDixi View Post


    Jam 56bb? That's definitely not the best play here. We should be playing our AK for value and shipping 56bb with AK is not going to get us value. In this case he lost to my set but in most instances he's going to be good on this flop and he would have at least picked up my pre-flop call here. Had he shoved I would have folded my 33 and he wouldn't have busted out but in most cases he would have picked up chips that he would have lost with a shove.

    Also to those of you who say to call here in some cases that is the best play but in this case against someone who plays as tight as I do it would have been a good idea to stop and think what I might have that beats him. Not being able lay down TPTK is a definite leak in my game as well as many others.

    Is TPTK always worth your tournament life? NO and especially not 2 away from the bubble.

    sorry i referred to you as he and him, lol. A big reason this is borderline is it's a $4.40 180 where the play is asstastic by 90%+ of the players. If you are going against one of the 10% that knows what they are doing than this shouldn't be an impossible fold. It's not that TPTK is not worth your tournament life, it's just that you were playing very tight (as you described) and the line you took here really, really screams set. If you were aggressive and 3-betting and re-shoving all over the place then I can see getting it all in on this flop all day everyday. In a high stakes MTT thread everyone would be saying "snap fold", guaranteed...
  22. No problem about the he/she thing, I always get referred to dude, bud and many other colorful names in chat. You're right there are only about 10% competent thinking players at these stakes. My line did scream set here. It never fails to amaze me how many replies to post like this say "I'm always getting it in here" and how few say to stop and think what your opponent has before calling. Oh well that's how we make money, from people who get married to TPTK.

    I bet we've played together before because it looks like we play a lot of the same games. I'll know to watch out for you now since you answered this post like a good thinking player. :-)

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