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$20 MTT All in call on turn with draw - what do you think?

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  1. 13ofSpades 13ofSpades is offline

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    Nov 18th, 2009 (11/18/2009 7:37pm)

    What do you think of my call here?

    pokerstars Game #35544984267: Tournament #229010783, $20+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2009/11/18 20:31:59 ET
    Table '229010783 17' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: NoB.O.in12 (9570 in chips)
    Seat 3: pauljames20 (18366 in chips)
    Seat 4: slipalicious (8530 in chips)
    Seat 5: 1984Cleo (11415 in chips)
    Seat 6: Bmoney13813 (13729 in chips)
    slipalicious: posts small blind 75
    1984Cleo: posts big blind 150
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to NoB.O.in12 [Jd Ad]
    Bmoney13813: folds
    NoB.O.in12: raises 300 to 450
    pauljames20: folds
    slipalicious: folds
    1984Cleo: calls 300
    *** FLOP *** [5h 3s Qd]
    ramasscash is connected
    1984Cleo: checks
    NoB.O.in12: bets 650
    1984Cleo: calls 650
    *** TURN *** [5h 3s Qd] [4d]
    1984Cleo: bets 750
    NoB.O.in12: raises 2250 to 3000
    1984Cleo: raises 7315 to 10315 and is all-in
    NoB.O.in12: calls 5470 and is all-in
    Uncalled bet (1845) returned to 1984Cleo
    *** RIVER *** [5h 3s Qd 4d] [7h]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    1984Cleo: shows [Qc 9c] (a pair of Queens)
    NoB.O.in12: shows [Jd Ad] (high card Ace)
    1984Cleo collected 19215 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 19215 | Rake 0
    Board [5h 3s Qd 4d 7h]
    Seat 1: NoB.O.in12 showed [Jd Ad] and lost with high card Ace
    Seat 3: pauljames20 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: slipalicious (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 5: 1984Cleo (big blind) showed [Qc 9c] and won (19215) with a pair of Queens
    Seat 6: Bmoney13813 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
  2. Aarin Aarin is offline

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    Nov 18th, 2009 (11/18/2009 9:02pm) in reply to 13ofSpades

    I understand you're stuck here, but the 'call' is obv from behind. You need a 'hand' to 'call' an all-in. Did you read him on a bluff or something?

    It's one thing if you shove/bluff, but to call it takes more than A high (for your tourney life). 4 outers don't usually hit.

    You could have checked the turn/fold-river and waited for a better push/fold spot.
  3. odstore odstore is offline

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    Nov 18th, 2009 (11/18/2009 10:40pm) in reply to Aarin

     
    Originally Posted by Aarin View Post

    I understand you're stuck here, but the 'call' is obv from behind. You need a 'hand' to 'call' an all-in. Did you read him on a bluff or something?

    It's one thing if you shove/bluff, but to call it takes more than A high (for your tourney life). 4 outers don't usually hit.

    You could have checked the turn/fold-river and waited for a better push/fold spot.

    No offense but you need to read hand histories better: He's got 9 outs to the nuts 3 outs to hit his wheel draw and possibly 3 more if his ace is clean. That said, op you have a ton of chips, it's way early and you're getting a great price to get there on river after he makes that tiny lead out. Just flat the turn and give up if you don't get there. No reason at all to stack off here.
  4. Aarin Aarin is offline

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    Nov 18th, 2009 (11/18/2009 10:49pm) in reply to odstore

     
    Originally Posted by odstore View Post

    Just flat the turn and give up if you don't get there. No reason at all to stack off here.

    Yah, my point. I was talking about his focus. It wasn't a nice spot, and his A wasn't ahead. By 4-outer, I meant the wheel draw, which looked obvious.
  5. cjmace24 cjmace24 is offline

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    Nov 18th, 2009 (11/18/2009 11:46pm) in reply to 13ofSpades

    I agree that you shouldn't call when behind...but as played you pretty much are pot committed. As is, you had 15 outs, so somewhere around 30% to win the hand.

    In your spot, I would call their turn bet instead of raising it. Take your cheap river card and see if you catch the straight, flush, or ace. The raise isn't big enough to push them off their hand, but totally committed you...you might as well shove the turn.
  6. 13ofSpades 13ofSpades is offline

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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 9:20am) in reply to cjmace24

    cjmace24, odstore, & aarin - thank you for the feedback, I appreciate it.
    Looking back now, i definatly should have just called the turn and gave up on river instead of the raise on turn. I figured he had the weak Q but really thought he would fold it to the raise
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  7. jm5under jm5under is offline

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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 11:01am) in reply to 13ofSpades

     same as above- c-bet on flop is standard- and he could be check peeling with less than the Q- obv not folding his turn lead but no reason to do anything other than call ur opening urself up to abuse- float turn for d or A on riv glglgll
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