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~200k gtd final table on stars, can some tell me there thoughts on this hand

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  1. ratboy x ratboy x is offline

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    Aug 9th, 2009 (8/9/2009 11:36pm)

    pokerstars Game #31450128441: Tournament #183606229, $50+$5 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXXI (30000/60000) - 2009/08/09 23:20:38 ET
    Table '183606229 432' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 3: ForRealDD (2712762 in chips)
    Seat 4: Loder_sp (4998795 in chips)
    Seat 6: Hercules711 (1053817 in chips)
    Seat 7: omar2004 (1681510 in chips)
    Seat 8: ratboy x (3323106 in chips)
    Seat 9: ashleigh009 (1293010 in chips)
    ForRealDD: posts the ante 6000
    Loder_sp: posts the ante 6000
    Hercules711: posts the ante 6000
    omar2004: posts the ante 6000
    ratboy x: posts the ante 6000
    ashleigh009: posts the ante 6000
    Hercules711: posts small blind 30000
    omar2004: posts big blind 60000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to ratboy x [8d Ad]
    ratboy x: raises 85000 to 145000
    ashleigh009: folds
    ForRealDD: folds
    Loder_sp: calls 145000
    Hercules711: folds
    omar2004: calls 85000
    *** FLOP *** [Qs Td 4d]
    omar2004: checks
    ratboy x: bets 320000
    Loder_sp: raises 580000 to 900000

    loder is a monkey btw

    thanks guy i appreciate it
     
  2. Gags30 Gags30 is offline

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    Aug 9th, 2009 (8/9/2009 11:41pm) in reply to ratboy x

    i mean...shove?

    i don't really get what we can add here. flatting would be bad, cause he's probably just gonna like jam the turn, and then like, we can't fold, but calling sucks. just jam the flop now
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  3. pduubb pduubb is offline

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    Aug 9th, 2009 (8/9/2009 11:44pm) in reply to ratboy x

    I think I re-raise to something like 1800000 and call shove. I think it makes it look less like a draw than a shove.
     
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    Aug 9th, 2009 (8/9/2009 11:45pm) in reply to pduubb

     
    Originally Posted by pduubb View Post

    I think I re-raise to something like 1800000 and call shove. I think it makes it look less like a draw than a shove.

    if the guy is as bad as he says, i like just shoving
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  5. jdibss jdibss is offline

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    Aug 9th, 2009 (8/9/2009 11:46pm) in reply to pduubb

    you only have one movee
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    Aug 9th, 2009 (8/9/2009 11:46pm) in reply to Gags30

    Good point.
     
  7. ratboy x ratboy x is offline

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    Aug 9th, 2009 (8/9/2009 11:54pm) in reply to ratboy x

    keep the opionons comming guys thanks, but u think i shoulda folde ICM wise?
     
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  8. pduubb pduubb is offline

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    Aug 9th, 2009 (8/9/2009 11:59pm) in reply to ratboy x

     
    Originally Posted by ratboy x View Post

    keep the opionons comming guys thanks, but u think i shoulda folde ICM wise?

    I'm not sure about this, but if you win the hand, you have a huge chip advantage.
     
  9. ratboy x ratboy x is offline

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    Aug 10th, 2009 (8/10/2009 12:02am) in reply to ratboy x

    yea i figured if i win that hand i have a huge edge onto win the tournament
     
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  10. checkrazor06 checkrazor06 is offline

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    Aug 10th, 2009 (8/10/2009 11:30am) in reply to ratboy x

    now u played the hand like a complete donkey fisherman directly from outerspace
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    Aug 10th, 2009 (8/10/2009 12:18pm) in reply to checkrazor06

    def shove.. got the nut draw plus you gotta think an ace gets you there too. Plus a shove might get a fold too.
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    Aug 10th, 2009 (8/10/2009 1:39pm) in reply to rungoodmuch

    cbet smaller so he isnt as committed when he raises... also cbetting smaller may induce more raises and may get more folds when u 4bet
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    Aug 10th, 2009 (8/10/2009 3:16pm) in reply to ratboy x

    thats a very good point doubledave thanks for the input
     
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  14. ferrengi ferrengi is offline

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    Aug 10th, 2009 (8/10/2009 4:05pm) in reply to ratboy x

    This is an all-in or fold spot.

    If you're worried about getting all-in vs the other big stack, you should fold.

    If you knew for certain that you'd win if you hit an ace, all-in is fine. Otherwise, you should probably fold.
  15. rivverkiller rivverkiller is offline

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    Aug 10th, 2009 (8/10/2009 4:10pm) in reply to ferrengi

     
    Originally Posted by ferrengi View Post

    This is an all-in or fold spot.

    If you're worried about getting all-in vs the other big stack, you should fold.

    If you knew for certain that you'd win if you hit an ace, all-in is fine. Otherwise, you should probably fold.

    Pretty sure folding is not really an option here. I agree with making the cont. bet a little smaller though and I dig a shove over raise/calling.
     
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