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200NL, what do you think about this hand... results updated

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  1. bwebster bwebster is offline

    Columbia, TN
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    Jan 9th, 2007 (1/9/2007 8:11pm)

    Full Tilt Poker Game #1567027866: Table Dreamy Winters - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:52:30 ET - 2007/01/09

    Seat 1: Fusilli Jerry ($180)

    Seat 2: fairbanka ($141)

    Seat 3: giveusakiss ($229.05)

    Seat 4: sara_khan ($173)

    Seat 5: HMB123 ($86.35)

    Seat 6: PapSmap ($234.30)

    Seat 7: RollDeep ($148.95)

    Seat 8: cleats ($192)

    Seat 9: Petros ($165.20)

    giveusakiss posts the small blind of $1

    sara_khan posts the big blind of $2

    The button is in seat #2

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to PapSmap [Ks Kd]

    HMB123 calls $2

    PapSmap raises to $7

    RollDeep folds

    cleats folds

    Petros folds

    Fusilli Jerry folds

    fairbanka folds

    giveusakiss folds

    sara_khan calls $5

    HMB123 calls $5

    *** FLOP *** [Qd 3h 4c]

    sara_khan checks

    HMB123 checks

    PapSmap bets $13.50

    sara_khan calls $13.50

    HMB123 calls $13.50

    *** TURN *** [Qd 3h 4c] [8c]

    sara_khan bets $24

    HMB123 folds

    PapSmap raises to $55

    sara_khan raises to $152.50, and is all in

    PapSmap has 15 seconds left to act

    PapSmap calls $97.50

    I barely re-raised trying to get sarah to re-raise all-in right then, which she did.

    Is this a good line for this hand? What hand would you put sara_khan on? What would you do differently? I'll post the results after some replies.
    sara_khan shows [Qh Qs]

    PapSmap shows [Ks Kd]

    *** RIVER *** [Qd 3h 4c 8c] [Kc]

    sara_khan shows three of a kind, Queens

    PapSmap shows three of a kind, Kings

    PapSmap wins the pot ($364.50) with three of a kind, Kings

    sara_khan is sitting out

    *** SUMMARY ***

    Total pot $367.50 | Rake $3

    Board: [Qd 3h 4c 8c Kc]

    Seat 1: Fusilli Jerry didn't bet (folded)

    Seat 2: fairbanka (button) didn't bet (folded)

    Seat 3: giveusakiss (small blind) folded before the Flop

    Seat 4: sara_khan (big blind) showed [Qh Qs] and lost with three of a kind, Queens

    Seat 5: HMB123 folded on the Turn

    Seat 6: PapSmap showed [Ks Kd] and won ($364.50) with three of a kind, Kings

    Seat 7: RollDeep didn't bet (folded)

    Seat 8: cleats didn't bet (folded)

    Seat 9: Petros didn't bet (folded)
  2. rivverkiller rivverkiller is offline

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    Jan 9th, 2007 (1/9/2007 9:49pm) in reply to bwebster

    I personally would've put Sara on a set at this point. Probably 4's. Bottom set most people would probably play a little more aggressively. I don't see what else she could possibly have in that situation. QQ seems unlikely as she probably would've tried to isolate preflop. I don't see 2 pair in there. AQ is possible but I don't see how she could 3 bet the turn with AQ.
     
  3. Cortz Cortz is offline

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    Jan 9th, 2007 (1/9/2007 9:52pm) in reply to bwebster

    looks like a set to me.....unless she is some sort of donk
  4. No1CeLtSfAn34 No1CeLtSfAn34 is offline

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    Jan 9th, 2007 (1/9/2007 9:56pm) in reply to bwebster

    I think her play is right online for a set or a stone cold bluff, The reason being, most players would check/raise you on the flop with TPTK. The fact that she calls the flop, then leads out on the turn when a seeminglessly random 8 falls is kind of weird. I have noticed that when players do that, they are usually weak. It looks like she calls your what looked to be a cont bet on the flop, then lead out on the turn, assuming you were weak. I guess she could have called pre-flop w/33 or 44, you would have to know if she is capable of calling a raise with those type of hands, knowing she would be out of position the rest of the hand. IMO, she has a set or absolutely nothing.

    This is how I would play the following hands:

    AQs/o or KQs/o: I would most likely check/raise you on the flop. There are times however, when I would check/call the flop and then check/raise you on the turn. I would only check/call you on the flop, looking to check/raise you on the turn, if I knew you were capable of firing two bullets. If I didn't think you were, I would just check/raise you on the flop.

    333 or 444: Check/call the flop. If there were draws out there, I would be more inclined to bet, but that flop is safe. The turn brought 2 clubs, so I would either bet out or check/raise. I would bet out 70%-80% of the time and check/raise 20%-30% of the time. This would depend on my opponent and my image.

    Bluff: I would check/call you on the flop, then probably lead out on the turn or check/raise you on the turn.

    If you look at how I would play all 3 hands, I would play them pretty similarly. That is scary for you. It's tough to fold KK to a Q high, non-str8 or non-flush board at a 200NL game. The reason being, most players would play AQ like it was the nuts in a spot like this. In the end it would depend on what I thought of my opponent. If I thought she was a fish, who overvalued top pair, I would call with the KK. If I respected her game and knew she wouldn't go broke with just 1 pair, I would fold the KK. It all comes down to your opponent in a situation like this.
  5. bwebster bwebster is offline

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    Jan 9th, 2007 (1/9/2007 10:30pm) in reply to No1CeLtSfAn34

    Well I called, was way behind, and sucked out.

    Normally I would fold in this spot but I had never seen her before and the only reason I decided she was a bad player is because she posted blinds out of turn. I normally associate that with the player being a fish.

    Thanks for the response as well Celts Fan.
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  6. No1CeLtSfAn34 No1CeLtSfAn34 is offline

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    Jan 10th, 2007 (1/10/2007 12:07pm) in reply to bwebster

    No problem.
  7. RiverRejas RiverRejas is offline

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    Jan 10th, 2007 (1/10/2007 2:04pm) in reply to No1CeLtSfAn34

    what about this one?

    Full Tilt Poker Game #1569107309: Table Morendo (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:42:26 ET - 2007/01/10
    Seat 1: The Lion ($411)
    Seat 2: DJ-AJ ($39.80)
    Seat 3: riskfyra ($345.85)
    Seat 4: naknak ($198)
    Seat 5: aluminumjewelry ($746.05)
    Seat 6: RiverRejas ($507.45)
    riskfyra posts the small blind of $1
    naknak posts the big blind of $2
    The button is in seat #2

    Holecards:
    Dealt to RiverRejas [ ]
    aluminumjewelry raises to $8
    RiverRejas raises to $26
    The Lion folds
    DJ-AJ folds
    riskfyra folds
    naknak folds
    aluminumjewelry calls $18

    Flop:
    [ ]
    aluminumjewelry checks
    RiverRejas bets $26
    aluminumjewelry raises to $74
    RiverRejas raises to $481.45, and is all in
    aluminumjewelry calls $407.45
    RiverRejas shows [ ]
    aluminumjewelry shows [ ]

    Turn:
    [ ] [ ]

    River:
    [ ] [ ]
    RiverRejas shows a full house Queens full of Sixes
    aluminumjewelry shows a full house Kings full of Sixes
    aluminumjewelry wins the pot ($1 014 .90) with a full house Kings full of Sixes
    RiverRejas is sitting out

    SUMMARY:
    Total pot $1 017 .90 | Rake $3
    Board:
    [ ]
    Seat 1: The Lion didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 2: DJ-AJ (button) didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 3: riskfyra (small blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 4: naknak (big blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 5: aluminumjewelry showed [ ] and won ($1 014.90) with a full house Kings full of Sixes
    Seat 6: RiverRejas showed [ ] and lost with a full house Queens full of Sixes
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