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  1. swd805 swd805 is offline

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    Jan 28th, 2010 (1/28/2010 10:08pm)

    not really any history with villain, is this a call or fold iyo. Im kinda having trouble finding a call.

    Full Tilt Poker Game #17997299936: $28,000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (135754361), Table 20 - 250/500 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:35:14 ET - 2010/01/28
    Seat 1: kingriver321 (26,095)
    Seat 2: Bonds252525 (9,570)
    Seat 3: swd805 (17,100)
    Seat 4: Big Dann (40,656)
    Seat 5: Mr Perfekt (19,630)
    Seat 6: cuzitsdelicious (11,682)
    kingriver321 antes 50
    Bonds252525 antes 50
    swd805 antes 50
    Big Dann antes 50
    Mr Perfekt antes 50
    cuzitsdelicious antes 50
    Mr Perfekt posts the small blind of 250
    cuzitsdelicious posts the big blind of 500
    The button is in seat #4
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to swd805 [Ac As]
    kingriver321 folds
    Bonds252525 folds
    swd805 raises to 1,250
    Big Dann folds
    Mr Perfekt has 15 seconds left to act
    Mr Perfekt calls 1,000
    cuzitsdelicious folds
    *** FLOP *** [Jh Qd 5s]
    Mr Perfekt has 15 seconds left to act
    Mr Perfekt checks
    swd805 has 15 seconds left to act
    swd805 bets 1,750
    Mr Perfekt calls 1,750
    *** TURN *** [Jh Qd 5s] [Kd]
    Mr Perfekt checks
    swd805 checks
    *** RIVER *** [Jh Qd 5s Kd] [4h]
    Mr Perfekt has 15 seconds left to act
    Mr Perfekt bets 4,300
    swd805

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  2. Whatshoulditbe Whatshoulditbe is offline

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    Jan 28th, 2010 (1/28/2010 10:19pm) in reply to swd805

    KT is in his range, i call.
     
  3. fly44 fly44 is offline

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    Jan 28th, 2010 (1/28/2010 10:24pm) in reply to Whatshoulditbe

    I think we are good against his value range, and although the bet size is probably value and a bluff doesn't really make sense, it is 6-max and you dont know the villian so anything is possible. I call.
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    Jan 28th, 2010 (1/28/2010 10:28pm) in reply to fly44

    I know hes a good winning mid/highstakes mtt reg, just dont have any history with him.

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    Jan 28th, 2010 (1/28/2010 10:35pm) in reply to swd805

    dont see a fold here
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    Jan 28th, 2010 (1/28/2010 10:36pm) in reply to z06fanatic

     
    Originally Posted by z06fanatic View Post

    dont see a fold here

    What 1pair hands is he betting for value?
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    Jan 28th, 2010 (1/28/2010 10:39pm) in reply to swd805

    a) i doubt k 10 is in his range
    b) i think i bet the turn here
    c) im calling, but probably not really liking it here
     
  8. Whatshoulditbe Whatshoulditbe is offline

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    Jan 28th, 2010 (1/28/2010 10:47pm) in reply to swd805

     
    Originally Posted by swd805 View Post

    What 1pair hands is he betting for value?
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    I said KT and even if that's wrong you're assuming 100% this is never a bluff. so like T9/KJ/KQ/QJ/55/44/AT beat us but given his flop call he doesn't have AT/44. given preflop call he likely doesn't have T9 but who knows could be flatting this type of hand.

    he's a "winning mid-highstakes reg" so the assumption is strong hands weight out his range here more than bluffs. If you really think about it tho the only real hands that make perfect sense here are 55/QJ/KQ. I'd venture to guess he folds KJ on flop but could be wrong. say he doesn't, his range is then 55/QJ/KJ/KQ and the rest of it consists of bluffs.

    this is assuming he's 3betting JJ/QQ/KK/AK etc pre and therefore didn't make a set with those hands nor has AK.
     
  9. elgordo420 elgordo420 is offline

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    Jan 28th, 2010 (1/28/2010 11:16pm) in reply to shane3769

    I call, i think you're hand is way under rep here. I would never put you on AA there.
     
  10. s.l. halper s.l. halper is offline

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    Jan 29th, 2010 (1/29/2010 12:39am) in reply to elgordo420

    Yikes. I think I see a fold here, even though your hand is underrepped. The board is quite messy and not a good one to bluff. I guess I earn my nit rep here and fold.
     
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    Jan 29th, 2010 (1/29/2010 11:08am) in reply to swd805

    good fold.
     
  12. Gettin Daize Gettin Daize is offline

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    Jan 29th, 2010 (1/29/2010 11:17am) in reply to Whatshoulditbe

     
    Originally Posted by Whatshoulditbe View Post

    I'd venture to guess he folds KJ on flop but could be wrong.

    im just curious, why?
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    Jan 29th, 2010 (1/29/2010 11:24am) in reply to swd805

    he might turn couple hands xtra hands into bluff that ur not expecting if hes good JT J9 88 that bein said still not sure if its a call or not
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  14. Goal4Ziggy Goal4Ziggy is offline

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    Jan 29th, 2010 (1/29/2010 11:35am) in reply to swd805

    You have the strongest hand that you could possibly check back the turn with, which I think makes your hand pretty underrepped. That said, what hand does he call from the sb and peel the flop that didn't improve? I think bc of the turn check, it's a good spot for him to turn his hand into a bluff, but would he even peel an underpair on the flop. I feel like you beat a J turned into a bluff or like a value KT. I'd like to hear from some hsmtt people though, it's an interesting spot.
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    Jan 29th, 2010 (1/29/2010 12:17pm) in reply to swd805

    u controlled pot wel, not good turn but u can call cuz u checked trunb i think, prob had t9 tho
     
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    Jan 29th, 2010 (1/29/2010 12:52pm) in reply to swd805

    I think im mucking here in your spot vs. Mr Perfekt. Expecting to see KJ/KQ majority of time.
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