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  1. POTYH POTYH is offline

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    Jul 14th, 2009 (7/14/2009 6:53pm)

    On average how many buy-ins does it take to win 1st in one of these OR cash equivalent to a first place finish (aka 3rd + 4th + 4th)

    I know a good 45'er is ITM about 17-22 % so......Im thinking like 12-14 buy ins for a first or casheq.?
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    Jul 14th, 2009 (7/14/2009 6:58pm) in reply to POTYH

    You realize this all depends on your skill and ROI in this game...And also variance. You can go on a hot streak and win 4 in a row. It just all depends. Kind of a vague question to ask that can't be answered.
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    Jul 14th, 2009 (7/14/2009 7:02pm) in reply to sXeffects

     
    Originally Posted by sXeffects View Post

    You realize this all depends on your skill and ROI in this game...And also variance. You can go on a hot streak and win 4 in a row. It just all depends. Kind of a vague question to ask that can't be answered.

    I do realize this. I guess I am looking for outside of the box thinking...idk , might not be able to be answered like u say

    how many buy-ins for break even player?
    how many buy ins for a winning 45'er , someone like adamsapple or rounder63?
    how many buy-ins for a losing player?
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    Jul 14th, 2009 (7/14/2009 7:30pm) in reply to POTYH

    If i knew what first place paid I could help you.

    A break even player will average 0%~, so take first place divided by buyin
    A winning player who averages say, 15% at the $26 level is $3.38 profit/game. So take first palce and figure it out
    A losing player say -10% (or -2.60 per game) will be the same thing, except the number of times will obv. be less than both the winning and break even guy.

    Mess around and put in whatever ROI you want and mess with the numbers.
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    Jul 14th, 2009 (7/14/2009 7:47pm) in reply to bluffslv

    ^^^^^^^^^^
    this... figure out the roi you want to use to come up with how much cash you will make per game. from there you can figure how many games it will take you on average to reach your goal
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    Jul 14th, 2009 (7/14/2009 8:09pm) in reply to mindtrip954

    14 times to cash for 1st place total makes you a donk
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    Jul 14th, 2009 (7/14/2009 8:36pm) in reply to POTYH

     
    Originally Posted by POTYH View Post

    On average how many buy-ins does it take to win 1st in one of these OR cash equivalent to a first place finish (aka 3rd + 4th + 4th)

    This is an odd question and if you're trying to figure out how you can structure a bankroll to play these you're prbly thinking about it the wrong way.

    However I do have an exact answer to your question. For me its one win per every twenty-five games on average.

    I've played 1,070 of the $24/45 mans on Full Tilt and I have 43 first place finishes. Simple math says I win 1 in every 25 on average. Here's the data:



    But this doesn't take variance into account. Simply saying, "You'll win 1 for every 25 you play" is completely misleading. Nobody just wins one out of every twenty-five they play. I've had nasty streaks where I don't win one for over 100 games but then I win like three in a row.

    So getting back to my point in the beginning, if you're trying to figure out the proper bankroll to play these with let me just make things very clear for you through my experience with them:

    <span>Absoutely no less than 100 buyins.</span>

    And this assumes you're already a winning player and can maintain a 30%+ ROI in them. If you don't think you can maintain a 30%+ ROI then you prbly need 150 buyins.

    Hope this helps.
     
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    Jul 14th, 2009 (7/14/2009 11:06pm) in reply to adamsapple19

    Thanks to everyone that replied. Based on adamsapples results it took him about 12 to 13 games to reach $410 which is 1st prize money. This includes the buy ins for each round...$24+$9 per game , is about 12-13 ...thanks again
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    Jul 14th, 2009 (7/14/2009 11:08pm) in reply to pharreal87

     
    Originally Posted by pharreal87 View Post

    14 times to cash for 1st place total makes you a donk

    So are you calling Adamsapple19 a donk?
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    Jul 15th, 2009 (7/15/2009 1:52am) in reply to adamsapple19

    There isnt that much varience in the 45mans 30bi is plenty. The structure is preety good to play a tight solid game, if u r having more than that downswing u need to drop a level
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    Jul 15th, 2009 (7/15/2009 2:00am) in reply to bminty

     
    Originally Posted by bminty View Post

    There isnt that much varience in the 45mans 30bi is plenty. The structure is preety good to play a tight solid game, if u r having more than that downswing u need to drop a level

    lol
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    Jul 15th, 2009 (7/15/2009 2:25am) in reply to bluefront

    No, 100 buy ins minimum.
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    Jul 15th, 2009 (7/15/2009 2:29am) in reply to bminty

     
    Originally Posted by bminty View Post

    There isnt that much varience in the 45mans 30bi is plenty. The structure is preety good to play a tight solid game, if u r having more than that downswing u need to drop a level

    level?
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    Jul 15th, 2009 (7/15/2009 2:37am) in reply to POTYH

    I wish I knew how to win those :(
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    Jul 15th, 2009 (7/15/2009 2:50am) in reply to bminty

     
    Originally Posted by bminty View Post

    There isnt that much varience in the 45mans 30bi is plenty. The structure is preety good to play a tight solid game, if u r having more than that downswing u need to drop a level

    Not real.
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    Jul 15th, 2009 (7/15/2009 4:35am) in reply to Automatic Loser

    bminty 962 $9 $24 34% $8,414 Tilt N/A FullTilt <12Mths E40-50 S20-30 G=H NoLim Spd=N NormalFormat SNG Only x bminty (FullTilt) Filter: <12Mths E40-50 S20-30 G=H NoLim Spd=N NormalFormat SNG Only There r to many bankroll nits out there that dont concentrate on there game just there roll
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    Jul 15th, 2009 (7/15/2009 6:33am) in reply to Automatic Loser

     
    Originally Posted by Automatic Loser View Post

     
    Originally Posted by bminty View Post

    There isnt that much varience in the 45mans 30bi is plenty. The structure is preety good to play a tight solid game, if u r having more than that downswing u need to drop a level

    Not real.

    lol at 30 bi, this is the most absurd thing ive ever seen on this site, also adamsapple19 appears to be super solid (and im sure he is) but 1000 tourneys isnt a good enough sample size to really know your true roi, so even this doesnt give you a decent tourney/win ratio.

    That being said anywhere from 1 to 200 tourneys for a first.

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    Jul 15th, 2009 (7/15/2009 6:36am) in reply to bminty

     
    Originally Posted by bminty View Post

    bminty 962 $9 $24 34% $8,414 Tilt N/A FullTilt <12Mths E40-50 S20-30 G=H NoLim Spd=N NormalFormat SNG Only x bminty (FullTilt) Filter: <12Mths E40-50 S20-30 G=H NoLim Spd=N NormalFormat SNG Only There r to many bankroll nits out there that dont concentrate on there game just there roll

    Have fun when the variance starts and you have to get people to ship you monies. 962 tourneys is 2 weeks fool. You would think with your success you would have a decent grasp on this. Maybe you are like me and just need to play 10000 tourneys before you truely have respect for variance and how brutal it really can be.

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    Jul 15th, 2009 (7/15/2009 8:54am) in reply to POTYH

     
    Originally Posted by POTYH View Post

    On average how many buy-ins does it take to win 1st in one of these OR cash equivalent to a first place finish (aka 3rd + 4th + 4th)

    I know a good 45'er is ITM about 17-22 % so......Im thinking like 12-14 buy ins for a first or casheq.?

    LOLOL what kindve question is this? P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C look at OPs names in his profile...seriously biggest douchebag on p5s and thats saying ALOT...constantly trolling the site too. What a tool.
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    Jul 15th, 2009 (7/15/2009 10:12am) in reply to POTYH

    adamsapple is dead on, but i have to talk about variance, 60-70 BI w\out a first are very possible. You can catch alot of top threes and get unlucky with one hand a couple of times and boom. You only win about 17 BI with a first place so there are serious swings in these if your multi tabling, the combination of super strong regs and super weak satallite players make these great but high varaince. Learn who the pros are and I really have to advise at least 100 BI roll. Grind the $10's until you have 1100+ and take anything over that to the 26's.
     
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    Jul 15th, 2009 (7/15/2009 10:34am) in reply to POTYH

    i've won 56 in 2149 games, so thats like what, 1 in 38? and i'm pretty dec in these

    by the way adamsapple, who besides you has a +30 ROI in these with a big sample?? +20 is really good in these, +30 is absurd unless you are 4 tabling or something. You're suggestion that you need 150 BIs if you aren't +30 ROI would basically include everyone.
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    Jul 15th, 2009 (7/15/2009 3:29pm) in reply to Spaceh0g

    Maize_and_Blue2, kennl, uncgpoker, rounder63 are all pretty good, might check there ROI's
     
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    Jul 24th, 2009 (7/24/2009 1:09am) in reply to dgillis

    not sure what my roi is in these...pry pretty good but id say i win 1-12 and play them on quite a frequent basis
    edit nvm just checked my roi is only 22% on these
    i know that if u win 1 otuta 15 ur break even :) but play in these has gotton much better rounder is def a beast at these id look him up or u can pm me n id be more then willing to talk some strat
     
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    Jul 24th, 2009 (7/24/2009 1:59am) in reply to dgillis

    rounder63 is not that good, he just plays them a lot, his roi blows
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    Jul 24th, 2009 (7/24/2009 2:22am) in reply to kwkramer

    o rly?

    <TABLE class=sortTable id=t1 borderColor=black border=1><TBODY id=tablerows><TR class=sortTable id="Rounder63#fulltilt& E45-45 S20-30 NoLim"><TD class=sortTable align=middle>Rounder63 <IMG title="Click for details" onclick="alert('Current\nRanked 3 in Any Games 4-6 Table Any Stakes Total Profit 2009 Leaderboard\nRanked 7 in Mixed Games 6-8 Seated $101-$300 Total Profit 2009 Leaderboard\nRanked 8 in Any Games 4-6 Table $36-$100 Total Profit 2009 Leaderboard\nRanked 17 in Any Games 4-6 Table $16-$35 Total Profit 2009 Leaderboard\n\n2008\nRanked 1 in 2008 Any Game $16-$35 Total Profit 2008 Leaderboard\nRanked 1 in 2008 Any Game >3 Table $16-$35 Total Profit 2008 Leaderboard\nRanked 4 in 2008 Any Game >3 Table Any Stakes Total Profit 2008 Leaderboard\nRanked 19 in 2008 Any Game By Network FullTilt Total Profit 2008 Leaderboard\n');" src="http://www.sharkscope.com/images/diamondstar.gif"></TD><TD class=sortTable align=middle>10,055</TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. Profit is the Average Profit Per Game after rake has been subtracted." align=right>$6.04 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. Stake is the average tournament buy-in amount." align=right>$24 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. ROI is the Average of each game's Return On Investment. It is the average of each (Payout-(Stake+Rake))/(Stake+Rake). This is not the same as total ROI which is (Total Payouts-(Total Rake+Total Stakes))/(Total Stakes+Total Rake)." align=middle>23%</TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Total Profit is the net profit for this player (and includes rake)." align=right>$60,750 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="Super Hot=6 straight payouts. Hot=3 straight payouts. Tilt=4 straight losses. Super Tilt=8 straight losses." align=middle>Super Tilt</TD><TD class=sortTable title="The ability rating is a number up to 100 that shows a players ability based on combining all the statistical measures we have for that player." align=middle>N/A</TD><TD class=sortTable align=middle>FullTilt</TD><TD class=sortTable align=middle>E45-45 S20-30 NoLim </TD><TD class=sortTable>x</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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    Jul 24th, 2009 (7/24/2009 2:28am) in reply to POTYH

    rounder is ok, u dont need to be a great player to have a good roi at these just play a solid game people will pay u off no need to play anything tricky play prem early and pick u spots to shove call shoves. sit back a wait for them to snap call ur reraise with kj
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    Jul 24th, 2009 (7/24/2009 2:28am) in reply to bertminatti

     
    Originally Posted by bertminatti View Post

    o rly?

    <TABLE class=sortTable id=t1 borderColor=black border=1><TBODY id=tablerows><TR class=sortTable id="Rounder63#fulltilt& E45-45 S20-30 NoLim"><TD class=sortTable align=middle>Rounder63 <IMG title="Click for details" onclick="alert('Current\nRanked 3 in Any Games 4-6 Table Any Stakes Total Profit 2009 Leaderboard\nRanked 7 in Mixed Games 6-8 Seated $101-$300 Total Profit 2009 Leaderboard\nRanked 8 in Any Games 4-6 Table $36-$100 Total Profit 2009 Leaderboard\nRanked 17 in Any Games 4-6 Table $16-$35 Total Profit 2009 Leaderboard\n\n2008\nRanked 1 in 2008 Any Game $16-$35 Total Profit 2008 Leaderboard\nRanked 1 in 2008 Any Game >3 Table $16-$35 Total Profit 2008 Leaderboard\nRanked 4 in 2008 Any Game >3 Table Any Stakes Total Profit 2008 Leaderboard\nRanked 19 in 2008 Any Game By Network FullTilt Total Profit 2008 Leaderboard\n');" src="http://www.sharkscope.com/images/diamondstar.gif"></TD><TD class=sortTable align=middleThe Av. Profit is the Average Profit Per Game after rake has been subtracted." align=right class="sortTable">$6.04 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. Stake is the average tournament buy-in amount." align=right>$24 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. ROI is the Average of each game's Return On Investment. It is the average of each (Payout-(Stake+Rake))/(Stake+Rake). This is not the same as total ROI which is (Total Payouts-(Total Rake+Total Stakes))/(Total Stakes+Total Rake)." align=middle>23%</TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Total Profit is the net profit for this player (and includes rake)." align=right>$60,750 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="Super Hot=6 straight payouts. Hot=3 straight payouts. Tilt=4 straight losses. Super Tilt=8 straight losses." align=middle>Super Tilt</TD><TD class=sortTable title="The ability rating is a number up to 100 that shows a players ability based on combining all the statistical measures we have for that player." align=middle>N/A</TD><TD class=sortTable align=middle>FullTilt</TD><TD class=sortTable align=middle>E45-45 S20-30 NoLim </TD><TD class=sortTable>x</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

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    Jul 24th, 2009 (7/24/2009 2:32am) in reply to pokerpoker69

     
    Originally Posted by pokerpoker69 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by bertminatti View Post

    o rly?

    <TABLE class=sortTable id=t1 borderColor=black border=1><TBODY id=tablerows><TR class=sortTable id="Rounder63#fulltilt& E45-45 S20-30 NoLim"><TD class=sortTable align=middle>Rounder63 <IMG title="Click for details" onclick="alert('Current\nRanked 3 in Any Games 4-6 Table Any Stakes Total Profit 2009 Leaderboard\nRanked 7 in Mixed Games 6-8 Seated $101-$300 Total Profit 2009 Leaderboard\nRanked 8 in Any Games 4-6 Table $36-$100 Total Profit 2009 Leaderboard\nRanked 17 in Any Games 4-6 Table $16-$35 Total Profit 2009 Leaderboard\n\n2008\nRanked 1 in 2008 Any Game $16-$35 Total Profit 2008 Leaderboard\nRanked 1 in 2008 Any Game >3 Table $16-$35 Total Profit 2008 Leaderboard\nRanked 4 in 2008 Any Game >3 Table Any Stakes Total Profit 2008 Leaderboard\nRanked 19 in 2008 Any Game By Network FullTilt Total Profit 2008 Leaderboard\n');" src="http://www.sharkscope.com/images/diamondstar.gif"></TD><TD class=sortTable align=middleThe Av. Profit is the Average Profit Per Game after rake has been subtracted." align=right class="sortTable">$6.04 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. Stake is the average tournament buy-in amount." align=right>$24 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. ROI is the Average of each game's Return On Investment. It is the average of each (Payout-(Stake+Rake))/(Stake+Rake). This is not the same as total ROI which is (Total Payouts-(Total Rake+Total Stakes))/(Total Stakes+Total Rake)." align=middle>23%</TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Total Profit is the net profit for this player (and includes rake)." align=right>$60,750 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="Super Hot=6 straight payouts. Hot=3 straight payouts. Tilt=4 straight losses. Super Tilt=8 straight losses." align=middle>Super Tilt</TD><TD class=sortTable title="The ability rating is a number up to 100 that shows a players ability based on combining all the statistical measures we have for that player." align=middle>N/A</TD><TD class=sortTable align=middle>FullTilt</TD><TD class=sortTable align=middle>E45-45 S20-30 NoLim </TD><TD class=sortTable>x</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

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    Jul 24th, 2009 (7/24/2009 2:34am) in reply to POTYH

    um 1. so im playin wednesday nite and my boy is like "dude you should fill your open spaces on your screen with 75$ 45 mans" im like ok, play a few, ship my 1st one ever . weeeeeee <3 45 mans
     
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    Jul 24th, 2009 (7/24/2009 4:48am) in reply to pikappraider78

    Started playing them Monday after having another shitty Sunday and took down 4 out of about 15.

    Gonna upload the h-h to pxf for someone who requested so if anyone wants the link ill post it here... cant remember if i played great but erm yeah got the job done lol
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