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25k Turbo -Would u play this different?

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  1. buttonrazor buttonrazor is offline

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    Jun 6th, 2010 (6/6/2010 5:59pm)

    I had been 3betting often in position. Villian had played very few hands (none w/ me). The hand before he had almost doubled w KK.

    Do you play this differently?

    pokerstars Game #45144916982: Tournament #314010407, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (60/120) - 2010/06/06 12:50:29 ET
    Table '314010407 154' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 1: paduade (2670 in chips)
    Seat 2: Simsalab00m (2565 in chips)
    Seat 3: Kruesaijin (3930 in chips)
    Seat 4: chloepuppy8 (2105 in chips)
    Seat 5: weiner4501 (1105 in chips)
    Seat 6: buttonrazor (4110 in chips)
    Seat 7: eppuk (6325 in chips)
    Seat 8: THECHISELER1 (1385 in chips)
    paduade: posts the ante 15
    Simsalab00m: posts the ante 15
    Kruesaijin: posts the ante 15
    chloepuppy8: posts the ante 15
    weiner4501: posts the ante 15
    buttonrazor: posts the ante 15
    eppuk: posts the ante 15
    THECHISELER1: posts the ante 15
    paduade: posts small blind 60
    Simsalab00m: posts big blind 120
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to buttonrazor [Ac Qh]
    Kruesaijin: raises 240 to 360
    chloepuppy8: folds
    weiner4501: folds
    noowoon is connected
    buttonrazor: raises 417 to 777
    eppuk: folds
    THECHISELER1: folds
    paduade: folds
    Simsalab00m: folds
    Kruesaijin: calls 417
    *** FLOP *** [2s 7h 6c]
    Kruesaijin: checks
    buttonrazor: checks
    *** TURN *** [2s 7h 6c] [3c]
    Kruesaijin: bets 960
    buttonrazor: calls 960
    *** RIVER *** [2s 7h 6c 3c] [Js]
    Kruesaijin: bets 720
    buttonrazor: calls 720
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Kruesaijin: shows [As Jd] (a pair of Jacks)
    buttonrazor: mucks hand
    Kruesaijin collected 5214 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 5214 | Rake 0
    Board [2s 7h 6c 3c Js]
    Seat 1: paduade (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 2: Simsalab00m (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 3: Kruesaijin showed [As Jd] and won (5214) with a pair of Jacks
    Seat 4: chloepuppy8 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: weiner4501 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: buttonrazor mucked [Ac Qh]
    Seat 7: eppuk folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: THECHISELER1 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
  2. grapsfan grapsfan is offline Head Curmudgeon

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    Jun 6th, 2010 (6/6/2010 6:03pm) in reply to buttonrazor

    You can NEVER check behind on that flop, IMO.

    Pre-flop play is fine, everything else is terrible. I HATE spewing off chips like this on the turn and river.
     
  3. buttonrazor buttonrazor is offline

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    Jun 6th, 2010 (6/6/2010 6:21pm) in reply to grapsfan

    Wow... Is my play here really that bad? I wouldn't ask if I didn't want feedback. I want to fix leaks and improve, but I didn't think it was THAT bad.

    I can handle critisism from better players but If I'm going to improve I need to know why it's bad.
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  4. The Dreamer The Dreamer is offline

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    Jun 6th, 2010 (6/6/2010 8:57pm) in reply to buttonrazor

    You need to bet the flop for ~ 1K to continue representing a strong, made hand. If he check raises all in, especially if he's a solid player, then you're beat by an overpair to the board or most likely to a set and I'd lean towards folding on the flop. However, if he checks the flop quickly, a healthy c-bet should take this down.
  5. grapsfan grapsfan is offline Head Curmudgeon

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    Jun 6th, 2010 (6/6/2010 9:43pm) in reply to buttonrazor

    What's awful, button, is that you had an opportunity to continue to show extreme strength on a dry flop, and passed on it. Then you called off 40% of your chips on the turn & river with Ace high.

    Why are you calling on the turn and river? What are you putting him on?

    If you think he's bluffing the turn, raise him. If not, fold. You're calling because you don't know what else to do.
    Edited By: grapsfan Jun 6th, 2010 at 09:46 PM
     
  6. rungoodmuch rungoodmuch is offline

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    Jun 6th, 2010 (6/6/2010 10:28pm) in reply to grapsfan

    I either flat or fold pre. 3 betting is pretty bad , as played bet flop
  7. luckierno7 luckierno7 is offline

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    Jun 6th, 2010 (6/6/2010 11:36pm) in reply to rungoodmuch

    never check behind definitely; u need to c bet againt 1 opponent a lot and i mean a lot; especially when u showed so much strength preflop; u need to c bet a lot since about 60% of flops miss both opponents; coming back to preflop play, i would have flat called and i think it would have been more.. conservative to flat call
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  8. buttonrazor buttonrazor is offline

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    Jun 7th, 2010 (6/7/2010 1:02am) in reply to luckierno7

    Thanks for the responses. I appreciate the suggestions, I will deffinately make some adjustments in this type of situation.
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  9. TrentonJay TrentonJay is offline

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    Jun 7th, 2010 (6/7/2010 5:56am) in reply to buttonrazor

    so either cbet or fold then huh? if the line was to raise on the turn how much would you make it?
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