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2nd time playing the $162 on Stars (am I playing too cautiously?)

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  1. murf99 murf99 is offline

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    Apr 10th, 2007 (4/10/2007 11:32pm)

    I dont usually play the bigger tournies (i'm medium buyin player) but lately i've been playing satellites and winning some seats, and I plan on continuing to play these bigger mtts in the future.

    Both of these hands I have top pair and a big kicker, but both times I talk myself into folding and figure I have to be beat. Even in my medium buyin tournies i dont like to go broke w/ top pair this early in.

    So what do u guys think? Am I playing to cautiously or are the folds ok?

    *********** # 16 **************
    pokerstars Game #9358519703: Tournament #47141098, $150+$12 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/04/10 - 21:13:42 (ET)
    Table '47141098 117' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: Pusher_82 (2330 in chips)
    Seat 2: peggydee (2860 in chips)
    Seat 3: Ceborra (1760 in chips)
    Seat 4: PlzBelieveMe (1220 in chips)
    Seat 5: rcrane082985 (2110 in chips)
    Seat 6: BadBeatsRus2 (1780 in chips)
    Seat 7: MURF99 (1960 in chips)
    Seat 8: zaratusa (2170 in chips)
    Seat 9: jberkow (1810 in chips)
    zaratusa: posts small blind 10
    jberkow: posts big blind 20
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to MURF99 [Jh Ah]
    Pusher_82: folds
    peggydee: folds
    Ceborra: folds
    PlzBelieveMe: folds
    rcrane082985: folds
    BadBeatsRus2: folds
    MURF99: raises 40 to 60
    zaratusa: calls 50
    jberkow: folds
    *** FLOP *** [6d 5c Ac]
    zaratusa: checks
    MURF99: bets 60
    zaratusa: raises 140 to 200
    MURF99: calls 140
    *** TURN *** [6d 5c Ac] [9s]
    zaratusa: bets 500
    MURF99: folds
    zaratusa collected 540 from pot
    zaratusa: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 540 | Rake 0
    Board [6d 5c Ac 9s]
    Seat 1: Pusher_82 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: peggydee folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: Ceborra folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: PlzBelieveMe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: rcrane082985 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: BadBeatsRus2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: MURF99 (button) folded on the Turn
    Seat 8: zaratusa (small blind) collected (540)
    Seat 9: jberkow (big blind) folded before Flop

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    PokerStars Game #9358701032: Tournament #47141098, $150+$12 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/04/10 - 21:24:36 (ET)
    Table '47141098 117' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: Pusher_82 (2435 in chips)
    Seat 2: peggydee (3175 in chips)
    Seat 3: Ceborra (2120 in chips)
    Seat 4: PlzBelieveMe (1115 in chips)
    Seat 5: rcrane082985 (2275 in chips)
    Seat 6: BadBeatsRus2 (1525 in chips)
    Seat 7: MURF99 (1565 in chips)
    Seat 8: zaratusa (2285 in chips)
    Seat 9: jberkow (1505 in chips)
    peggydee: posts small blind 15
    Ceborra: posts big blind 30
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to MURF99 [Kc Qh]
    PlzBelieveMe: calls 30
    rcrane082985: folds
    BadBeatsRus2: folds
    MURF99: calls 30
    zaratusa: calls 30
    jberkow: folds
    Pusher_82: calls 30
    peggydee: folds
    Ceborra: checks
    *** FLOP *** [9s Qs 6c]
    Ceborra: checks
    PlzBelieveMe: checks
    MURF99: bets 120
    zaratusa: raises 390 to 510
    Pusher_82: folds
    Ceborra: folds
    PlzBelieveMe: folds
    MURF99: folds
    zaratusa collected 405 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 405 | Rake 0
    Board [9s Qs 6c]
    Seat 1: Pusher_82 (button) folded on the Flop
    Seat 2: peggydee (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 3: Ceborra (big blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 4: PlzBelieveMe folded on the Flop
    Seat 5: rcrane082985 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: BadBeatsRus2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: MURF99 folded on the Flop
    Seat 8: zaratusa collected (405)
    Seat 9: jberkow folded before Flop (didn't bet)
  2. pokerjamers pokerjamers is offline

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    Apr 10th, 2007 (4/10/2007 11:45pm) in reply to murf99

    whenever i play up i run into the same problem... i'd love to hear some responses... I'm usuallly passive as well, but last night I played the 100$ 20k gtd and after Q45 flop ck/r all in from some guy who was playin his hand strong and he ended up showing Q9... I think when you play out of your bankroll you give people too much credit.. Not saying those are bad folds tho.
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  3. scots_chris scots_chris is offline

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    Apr 10th, 2007 (4/10/2007 11:49pm) in reply to murf99

    Seem super weak-tight to me. Do you think everyone always outkicks you in every hand? Also, it was the same player - maybe he just noted you down as weak-tight and is attacking weakness whenever you enter the hand.

    You probably won't go bust on either of these hands, so why are you so afraid to showdown?
  4. AFink93 AFink93 is offline

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    Apr 11th, 2007 (4/11/2007 12:42am) in reply to scots_chris

    1st hand Check Raise? Probably good laydown.
    2nd hand Dont limp ever.
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    Apr 11th, 2007 (4/11/2007 12:51am) in reply to AFink93

    not a bad limp at all.
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  6. doubledave22 doubledave22 is offline

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    Apr 11th, 2007 (4/11/2007 12:56am) in reply to pokerjamers

    both seem like pretty standard folds to me, no reason to go broke with top pair not even top kickers. Id just keep an eye on him these arent too week tight of folds just you being cautious.
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  7. jpapola jpapola is offline

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    Apr 11th, 2007 (4/11/2007 2:57am) in reply to murf99

    first hand fold, second hand all in
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  8. rppkoz rppkoz is offline

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    Apr 11th, 2007 (4/11/2007 9:57am) in reply to jpapola

    Agree 100% w/ 1st hand fold, 2nd hand shove.
     
  9. just sick just sick is offline

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    Apr 11th, 2007 (4/11/2007 10:59am) in reply to rppkoz

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
    What they said.

    1st hand there's too much to beat you. The str8 hit, two pair, set, all possible hands.

    2nd hand not so much. No str8, the only set that makes sense is 6s, QQ or 99 prolly raises pre. Most likely he's either raising a weaker Q or draw because you folded hand 1. Time to stand up.
  10. rock_well28 rock_well28 is offline

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    Apr 11th, 2007 (4/11/2007 2:56pm) in reply to just sick

    well murf, like I told you last night I bet she was playing you the second hand, but you folded anyways. Cautious yes, but what kind of hands are you waiting for to get your money in the middle. We all cant wait for monsters or get our money in 90% of the time. Like just sick said time to stand up.
  11. mozzer mozzer is offline

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    Apr 11th, 2007 (4/11/2007 4:18pm) in reply to rock_well28

    It's interesting that both of these hands are up against the same player. Maybe because of your fold on hand 1, he thought he could raise you out of the pot on hand 2, with garbage.
  12. rppkoz rppkoz is offline

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    Apr 11th, 2007 (4/11/2007 5:39pm) in reply to mozzer

    Look at the bet sizing
     
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