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3 handed PLO spot. do i get away pre?

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  1. XCappucinoX1 XCappucinoX1 is offline

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    Aug 23rd, 2008 (8/23/2008 7:10am)

    Villain is a regular who plays maybe 6+ tables at once. My question is, am I supposed to fold pre? I was thinking that even if he has AAxx, they are probably bad aces and im not that big of a dog. I also dont think he has to have aces here. I think getting it in here isn't a mistake but wanted to make sure that its not a leak in my game.

    Dealt to gBallz4aLL [Js Qc Kc Ks]
    castlestorm raises to $14
    HIP PERSON has 15 seconds left to act
    HIP PERSON calls $12
    gBallz4aLL raises to $56
    castlestorm calls $42
    HIP PERSON raises to $224
    gBallz4aLL has 15 seconds left to act
    gBallz4aLL raises to $728
    castlestorm has 15 seconds left to act
    castlestorm folds
    HIP PERSON calls $288.10, and is all in
    gBallz4aLL shows [Js Qc Kc Ks]
    HIP PERSON shows [Ah Ad 6c 4c]
    Uncalled bet of $215.90 returned to gBallz4aLL
    *** FLOP *** [2d Td 5d]
    *** TURN *** [2d Td 5d] [3s]
    *** RIVER *** [2d Td 5d 3s] [4d]
    gBallz4aLL shows a pair of Kings
    HIP PERSON shows a straight, Six high
    HIP PERSON wins the pot ($1,079.20) with a straight, Six high
     
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    Aug 23rd, 2008 (8/23/2008 7:26am) in reply to XCappucinoX1

    I just typed up a really long explanation of why you misplayed the hand, but P5s amazing new board technology ate it as the thread was being moved to this forum. Nice work. I'll try to type up some cliffnotes when I'm less tilted.
     
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    Aug 23rd, 2008 (8/23/2008 9:02am) in reply to XCappucinoX1

    Why on earth are you reraising pf? That was the first mistake. Then you call the all-in re-reraise after villain only called the first raise, which fairly hints at aces. Now you're pot committed without even seeing the flop. Second mistake.
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    Aug 23rd, 2008 (8/23/2008 3:32pm) in reply to finewhine

     
    Originally Posted by finewhine View Post

    Why on earth are you reraising pf? That was the first mistake. Then you call the all-in re-reraise after villain only called the first raise, which fairly hints at aces. Now you're pot committed without even seeing the flop. Second mistake.

    What type of hands do YOU reraise preflop in this situation? is it only AAxx?
     
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    Aug 23rd, 2008 (8/23/2008 6:30pm) in reply to XCappucinoX1

    Ok, I'm less tilty today. Let's try this again.

    Your 3bet is bad only b/c it makes the other player pot committed if he 4bets, meaning your 5bet is ineffective and if you cold call his 4bet, You'll be getting almost 3:1 on a flop so you'll probably be sticking it in on any flop.

    That's bad b/c when he 4bets, he's telling you that he has AAxx. You lose to AAxx. He showed down a hand that is about the worst hand he could have here, and he's still got you 60/40.

    These are things you have to be aware of when you play PLO. Is it good to 3bet to find out where you are/build a big pot to take on the turn? Absolutely. But you can't just blind pot if that means that if HE pots you are in a tough situation.

    Put another way: you aren't winning anything preflop in plo. You don't want to get it allin preflop in plo. In plo you should be using the preflop betting round to get information on other people's hands, and either building a decent pot to make your bets on the flop/turn meaningful, or trying to keep a pot small in case you have to call a couple bets after the flop.
     
  6. bbbbb33 bbbbb33 is offline

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    Aug 23rd, 2008 (8/23/2008 7:10pm) in reply to GambleAB

    this game is 3 handed!

    you still suck though.
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