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3 handed spot thoughts???

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  1. TMJMAC TMJMAC is offline

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    Aug 8th, 2009 (8/8/2009 6:19am)

    thoughts plz such an uhg spot......

    Stage #1819521689 Tourney ID 4541820 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit 12,000 - 2009-08-08 02:36:26 (ET)
    Table: 60 (Real Money) Seat #8 is the dealer
    Seat 2 - TMJMAC (420,532 in chips)
    Seat 6 - SCHMOBINS (403,268 in chips)
    Seat 8 - BIRTH2REASON (224,700 in chips)
    TMJMAC - Ante 1,200
    SCHMOBINS - Ante 1,200
    BIRTH2REASON - Ante 1,200
    TMJMAC - Posts small blind 6,000
    SCHMOBINS - Posts big blind 12,000
    *** POCKET CARDS ***
    Dealt to TMJMAC [9d 5d]
    BIRTH2REASON - Calls 12,000
    TMJMAC - Calls 6,000
    SCHMOBINS - Checks
    *** FLOP *** [8s 7s Qh]
    TMJMAC - Checks
    SCHMOBINS - Checks
    BIRTH2REASON - Bets 12,000
    TMJMAC - Calls 12,000
    SCHMOBINS - Calls 12,000
    *** TURN *** [8s 7s Qh] [6h]
    TMJMAC - Checks
    SCHMOBINS - Bets 35,000
    BIRTH2REASON - Folds
    TMJMAC - Raises 90,300 to 90,300
    SCHMOBINS - All-In(Raise) 343,068 to 378,068
    ??????
    TMJMAC - Calls 287,768
    *** RIVER *** [8s 7s Qh 6h] [7h]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    TMJMAC - Shows [9d 5d] (Straight, five to nine)
    SCHMOBINS - Shows [4h 5h] (Flush, queen high)
    SCHMOBINS Collects 831,736 from main pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total Pot(831,736)
    Board [8s 7s Qh 6h 7h]
    Seat 2: TMJMAC (small blind) HI:lost with Straight, five to nine [9d 5d - P:9d,B:8s,B:7s,B:6h,P:5d]
    Seat 6: SCHMOBINS (big blind) won Total (831,736) All-In HI:(831,736) with Flush, queen high [4h 5h - B:Qh,B:7h,B:6h,P:5h,P:4h]
    Seat 8: BIRTH2REASON (dealer) Folded on the TURN
  2. shanetrain22 shanetrain22 is offline

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    Aug 8th, 2009 (8/8/2009 7:09am) in reply to TMJMAC

    Really?
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  3. Pafnutka Pafnutka is offline

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    Aug 8th, 2009 (8/8/2009 7:25am) in reply to TMJMAC

    Call. Yeah, he almost certainly has some sort of a made hand, which he thinks is good, but it could be anything: 888, 777, 666, 45678, 56789. The only hand you don't want to see is T9. Most of the times, you won't.
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    Aug 8th, 2009 (8/8/2009 7:48am) in reply to Pafnutka

     
    Originally Posted by Pafnutka View Post

    Call. Yeah, he almost certainly has some sort of a made hand, which he thinks is good, but it could be anything: 888, 777, 666, 45678, 56789. The only hand you don't want to see is T9. Most of the times, you won't.

    F me just wrote long post and hit back to prior page... anyway,

    First off what's the buyin/runners to geta level set?

    THis hand is weird since it was limped and villain just checked in the big blind. To me this rules out the sets unless he's real trappy and had QQ here. I don't think I'd be checking a small PP 3 handed in teh blind unless I'd seen the other players limp trapping big hands to me prior. I'd raise. So I'm not feeling the low sets.

    feels more like a BB special or a semibluff. 45, 9T, 2pr, or a FD where he is trtying to push you out, or some % of the time an absolute bluff since if you call and lose you are out third.

    This is a case where I want to know what the payouts are and the table reads on you and him. If you call and lose then you get third place money. Fold here and you are comfortably in second with third place guy getting short. Call and be ahead then you have massive CL going into HU play.

    So, how had villain been playing vs you? And what were the payouts? I'd be curious to see the ICM equities based on a fold (given resulting chipstacks).

    If there is any decent pay jump I'm not sure it's where I want to make my hero call only to discover the BB special was the 9T, unless he's been shipping hands before this shorthanded and you have an idea of when he is doing it.

    And lastly, when he shipped, what was your immediate Gut reaction telling you? the first thing that you felt in the gut? That's probably what the right answer was....
     
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    Aug 8th, 2009 (8/8/2009 7:50am) in reply to shanetrain22

    meh youre def right is an easy call but i just felt i had such a edge on these two players i would of hated to call and see t9....
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    Aug 8th, 2009 (8/8/2009 7:55am) in reply to TMJMAC

     
    Originally Posted by TMJMAC View Post

    meh youre def right is an easy call but i just felt i had such a edge on these two players i would of hated to call and see t9....

    I didnt mean to imply its an ez call. epecially if you felt you had an edge on the players...
     
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    Aug 8th, 2009 (8/8/2009 7:55am) in reply to bonflizubi

     
    Originally Posted by bonflizubi View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Pafnutka View Post

    Call. Yeah, he almost certainly has some sort of a made hand, which he thinks is good, but it could be anything: 888, 777, 666, 45678, 56789. The only hand you don't want to see is T9. Most of the times, you won't.

    If there is any decent pay jump I'm not sure it's where I want to make my hero call only to discover the BB special was the 9T, unless he's been shipping hands before this shorthanded and you have an idea of when he is doing it.

    Hero call!?!?
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    Aug 8th, 2009 (8/8/2009 7:56am) in reply to bonflizubi

     
    Originally Posted by bonflizubi View Post

     
    Originally Posted by TMJMAC View Post

    meh youre def right is an easy call but i just felt i had such a edge on these two players i would of hated to call and see t9....

    I didnt mean to imply its an ez call. epecially if you felt you had an edge on the players...

    Doubt I'm reading this.
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    Aug 8th, 2009 (8/8/2009 7:59am) in reply to bonflizubi

    was a 5$ 2kg 1st 812 2nd 498 3rd 332 and i had a very solid image at table had never showndown without a strong hand i was running pretty well.... as for him he hadnt made any crazy moves from what i saw and seemed pretty abc
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    Aug 8th, 2009 (8/8/2009 8:06am) in reply to shanetrain22

     
    Originally Posted by shanetrain22 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by bonflizubi View Post

     
    Originally Posted by TMJMAC View Post

    meh youre def right is an easy call but i just felt i had such a edge on these two players i would of hated to call and see t9....

    I didnt mean to imply its an ez call. epecially if you felt you had an edge on the players...

    Doubt I'm reading this.

    POint was if he felt he culd outplay them he doesn't need to take the chance that the guy landed 9T in teh BB. He also gave us no reads on teh other players at all - against some players aim calling withuout a moments hesitation. Against some other guys I really have to think about it. BUt we don't have that info. We don't know what villain is capable.

    If hero folded just bc he was afraid that villain *might* have 9T then it's a bad fold. If his gut told hime he was beat it's another thing. I think hero is probably ahead but with outs to dodge. But I wasn't the one at the table.

    OP- did you fold because you were afriad he *might* show up with the 9T? (afraid to lose) Or because your gut told yo you uwere beat?
     
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    Aug 8th, 2009 (8/8/2009 8:27am) in reply to bonflizubi

    my gut told me i was ahead but i also thought do i HAVE to make this call because i felt i still had a pretty good chance at taking it down if i folded......
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    Aug 8th, 2009 (8/8/2009 9:06am) in reply to TMJMAC

    help me plzzzzz!
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    Aug 8th, 2009 (8/8/2009 9:12am) in reply to TMJMAC

    If you feel that you're good here at least 80% of the time, call - and you're HU in 3 seconds with a 4-to-1 chip lead. You won't be in many spots where you have that high a degree of certainty to eliminate someone.
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    Aug 8th, 2009 (8/8/2009 11:39am) in reply to Pafnutka

    lol yea "hero" call that ishhhh
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    Aug 8th, 2009 (8/8/2009 4:47pm) in reply to Pafnutka

    yes thats exactly my thoughts on why i called i win this hand it pretty much gift wraps first and my gut told me i was ahead here.
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