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3 handed, step 3

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  1. noicenoglass noicenoglass is offline

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    Nov 13th, 2007 (11/13/2007 1:05am)

    can i get some comments on this hand please.

    pokerstars Game #13210467811: Tournament #67030852, $75+$7 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2007/11/13 - 01:30:29 (ET)
    Table '67030852 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 3: El Cuchillo (5496 in chips)
    Seat 4: H_Pudwacker (4080 in chips)
    Seat 5: azprincess (3924 in chips)
    El Cuchillo: posts the ante 25
    H_Pudwacker: posts the ante 25
    azprincess: posts the ante 25
    H_Pudwacker: posts small blind 200
    azprincess: posts big blind 400
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to El Cuchillo [Kd Ah]
    El Cuchillo: raises 800 to 1200
    H_Pudwacker: raises 2855 to 4055 and is all-in
    azprincess: calls 3499 and is all-in
    El Cuchillo:

    i'm just a little weirded out, thanks.
  2. IbizaCF3 IbizaCF3 is offline

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    Nov 13th, 2007 (11/13/2007 1:06am) in reply to noicenoglass

    Sucks to do but I fold here.
  3. lidrum5 lidrum5 is offline

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    Nov 13th, 2007 (11/13/2007 1:13am) in reply to noicenoglass

    Gotta fold. Same as if you were on a SNG bubble - prob shouldn't call w/ anything but KK or AA w/ 2 people all-in.
  4. Ozzie Ozzie is offline

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    Nov 13th, 2007 (11/13/2007 1:16am) in reply to noicenoglass

    say "please dont have it" under your breath 5 times and call.
  5. MadProfesor MadProfesor is offline

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    Nov 13th, 2007 (11/13/2007 1:19am) in reply to noicenoglass

    snap call, triple fist pump
  6. RankMeNOW RankMeNOW is offline

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    Nov 13th, 2007 (11/13/2007 1:27am) in reply to MadProfesor

    id have just shoved there, but as it played out just fold and you advance EV means nothing here dont listen to anyone saying snap call
     
  7. noicenoglass noicenoglass is offline

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    Nov 13th, 2007 (11/13/2007 2:23am) in reply to RankMeNOW

    El Cuchillo: calls 2855
    *** FLOP *** [Ks 3d 7h]
    *** TURN *** [Ks 3d 7h] [4s]
    *** RIVER *** [Ks 3d 7h 4s] [8h]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    H_Pudwacker: shows [9h Ac] (high card Ace)
    El Cuchillo: shows [Kd Ah] (a pair of Kings)
    El Cuchillo collected 312 from side pot
    azprincess: shows [Kh Kc] (three of a kind, Kings)
    azprincess collected 11772 from main pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 12084 Main pot 11772. Side pot 312. | Rake 0
    Board [Ks 3d 7h 4s 8h]
    Seat 3: El Cuchillo (button) showed [Kd Ah] and won (312) with a pair of Kings
    Seat 4: H_Pudwacker (small blind) showed [9h Ac] and lost with high card Ace
    Seat 5: azprincess (big blind) showed [Kh Kc] and won (11772) with three of a kind, Kings

    we'd been 3 handed for about 15 minutes. i 3x here because they will reraise a lot weaker than they will call allin with assuming i'm getting all my chips in here. however, once both stacks get it in, it's unclear to me that neither folding or calling is more right or wrong than the other...

    if i call, i get a very favorable opportunity to end the game this hand, keeping a sizable advantage if i lose. if i fold, i gain the larger advantage of ending the game as the winner in the future, with a smaller chance that the game ends this hand.

    i'm still confused.
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  8. rocksolid124 rocksolid124 is offline

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    Nov 13th, 2007 (11/13/2007 2:32am) in reply to noicenoglass

    Not only is this a fold, but I conclude that it is a clear fold, given the payout structure of top 2 getting the ticket to step 4. If you fold, you'll have 4300 in chips. You can't call here, and lol at the people who said snap call. Maybe if they realized that a fold here instantly gives you the step 4 ticket, they would act like they had a brain and tell you to fold as well.

    If Pudwacker wins the hand, the sng is over, you both advance. If azprincess wins the hand, pudwaker is left with less than 200 chips at 200/400. This is a comically easy fold.
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    Nov 13th, 2007 (11/13/2007 2:34am) in reply to noicenoglass

    you got 3bet by the small blind all in, if it were just that you snap call, when the bb called the all in i dont give a damn if you know they bot have A2 you fold, on one hand the game is over right there. one the other hand a player is left with like a 100 chips so its basically over, you calling is just pointless.
     
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    Nov 13th, 2007 (11/13/2007 2:37am) in reply to rocksolid124

    at least someone sees this as clear as i do ^^^ and we are not all idiots in this post. i couldnt believe i saw the words "snap call" in this post
     
  11. noicenoglass noicenoglass is offline

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    Nov 13th, 2007 (11/13/2007 2:59am) in reply to RankMeNOW

    i hope you're not calling me an idiot!? i figured i'd advance either way so i called. i didn't really consider the possibility they both have the same thing, makes a fold more apparent.

    thanks for the responses.
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    Nov 13th, 2007 (11/13/2007 3:03am) in reply to noicenoglass

    no i am in no way calling you an idiot, but i am calling this call dumb. just constructive critisim. if in this same exact situation in this tournament you had AA, this is still a fold
     
  13. busto_soon busto_soon is offline

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    Nov 13th, 2007 (11/13/2007 3:13am) in reply to noicenoglass

    Only way you won't advance is if they split the pot (about 5%), so I guess it almost doesn't matter.

    I guess you should fold because you're not winning enough of the (otherwise) split pots if you call?
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    Nov 13th, 2007 (11/13/2007 3:38am) in reply to RankMeNOW

    "i dont give a damn if you know they bot have A2 you fold,"

    no.........
  15. noicenoglass noicenoglass is offline

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    Nov 13th, 2007 (11/13/2007 3:41am) in reply to busto_soon

    are you asking, like you're not sure? is there any advantage in this or similar situations where it'd be better to try and end it now? like if you have aa here and or stacks are 5500, 4700, 3300?
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