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$4/180 ft...what do I do? *EDIT* Now with results.

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  1. Camstock Camstock is offline

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    Aug 28th, 2008 (8/28/2008 11:58pm)

    pokerstars Game #19979672347: Tournament #104916621, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (500/1000) - 2008/08/28 - 23:42:03 (ET)
    Table '104916621 12' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: lindor (46435 in chips)
    Seat 2: Camstock (58934 in chips)
    Seat 3: CEKIII (9794 in chips)
    Seat 4: Xmachine888 (19362 in chips)
    Seat 5: djsamhill (10485 in chips)
    Seat 6: Plumbroke200 (34042 in chips)
    Seat 7: FL-Hunter (20841 in chips)
    Seat 8: Merrillk25 (56697 in chips)
    Seat 9: Chip Gobblin (13410 in chips)
    lindor: posts the ante 100
    Camstock: posts the ante 100
    CEKIII: posts the ante 100
    Xmachine888: posts the ante 100
    djsamhill: posts the ante 100
    Plumbroke200: posts the ante 100
    FL-Hunter: posts the ante 100
    Merrillk25: posts the ante 100
    Chip Gobblin: posts the ante 100
    Camstock: posts small blind 500
    CEKIII: posts big blind 1000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Camstock [Qs Ad]
    Xmachine888: folds
    djsamhill: folds
    Plumbroke200: folds
    FL-Hunter: folds
    Merrillk25: calls 1000
    Chip Gobblin: folds
    lindor: folds
    Camstock: raises 2300 to 3300
    CEKIII: folds
    Merrillk25: calls 2300
    *** FLOP *** [9d 3h Qd]
    Camstock: bets 5600
    Merrillk25: raises 9400 to 15000

    **EDIT**

    Ok so heres what I did and why. I folded. My reasoning was chipstack and table dynamics related. First of all, we are the two cl's by a mile. I didn't want to tangle too heavily with the only guy that could bust me when 5 of the people had M<10 and therefore could be easily abused. I could obtain alot of free chips there with very little risk plus the table was playing really tight with only maybe one other semi active player besides me and I was raising 2-3 times per orbit. Also did I want to get into a 115 BB pot with TPTK?

    I had a hard time ranging him at all because I hadn't been on the table with him until this point. So what does he limp/call with preflop that he can reraise me with on this flop? A small pair (33,99 maybe?) suited connectors (JTd in that range) any Axd. Only hands I can see him having here that I have beat are KQ/QJ but I leaned away from KQ here because he probably would have raised preflop. So basically I could only come up with one hand I am beating. The rest of his range has me either a)flipping (oesd, flush draw), or dominated (set). So back to my question...do you flip for a 115 BB pot against the only guy that can bust you with tptk and a relatively weak/tight table?

    I erred on the side of caution because I felt I had a distinct advantage on the rest of the table and could find alot better places to get my chips in.
  2. tmac2424 tmac2424 is offline

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    Aug 29th, 2008 (8/29/2008 12:44am) in reply to Camstock

    i raise to 4k pre and as played i bet 5000ish on the flop (just my preference) but as played u have 2 shove here - especially in a $4 180 man. If he has a set of 3's or flopped some retarted 2 pr so be it, but you are ahead here a VAST majority of the time. Lemme guess, he had a set of 3's or Q9 and ur kicking urself (cuz u shouldnt be) If u shoved u made the right play (unless hes a COMPLETE NIT) which he prob isnt.
  3. Camstock Camstock is offline

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    Aug 29th, 2008 (8/29/2008 1:44am) in reply to tmac2424

    I'll let it go over night and then post the results.
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  4. loktakwah loktakwah is offline

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    Aug 29th, 2008 (8/29/2008 2:13am) in reply to Camstock

    You should have made a much larger raise preflop. There is 2500 in blinds in the pot.

    After merril calls, there's 3500 in the pot. You raise 2300 more, merril only has to call

    2300 to win 5700 in the pot. He's getting over 2:1 immediate odds and since he has position on you, he's getting outstanding implied odds. You have to cut down on both of those odds by raising more preflop. I'd make it at least 5k to play. Winning the pot preflop at this stage is great.

    Once you see the flop however, you can never fold. He would easily be playing any Q with a worse kicker like that, any TJ, any diamond draw, and possibly some worse hands. The only hands that beat you are Q9 and a set, and there are much more combinations of hands you beat.
  5. beat_beat beat_beat is offline

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    Aug 29th, 2008 (8/29/2008 8:08am) in reply to Camstock

    I concur with the analysis ...
    Of course, a set of threes or Q9 for two Pair springs immediatly to mind, but he could be on a semi-bluff with a diamond draw ... plus even in the worst case, you have a couple of outs, namely the three Aces, two remaining queens (only if he is on a draw or has a set of nines or threes) + the possibility of a backdoor-nutflush :-)

    Add to that the possibility of a stone cold bluff (arround 8 % to 10 % maybe) and the chance to get his whole stack, I would shove ...

    beat
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