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4.40 - 180 man 4 of 13 what do you do here?

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  1. bobeggy bobeggy is offline

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    Jan 12th, 2010 (1/12/2010 1:57pm)

    Reads: Quads has been playing pretty tight and horob has been limping habitually in late position and folding to standard raises.

    Is this a super easy fold? or do you ever just put him on two overs and call this?

    pokerstars Game #38058607745: Tournament #231423301, $4.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (300/600) - 2010/01/12 12:53:30 MT [2010/01/12 14:53:30 ET]
    Table '231423301 15' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 1: Bobeggy (21528 in chips)
    Seat 2: Man-united41 (15544 in chips)
    Seat 3: BobHica_10 (12150 in chips)
    Seat 6: FOBOS_URAL (18015 in chips)
    Seat 7: deejayNO1 (14239 in chips)
    Seat 8: horob (26260 in chips)
    Seat 9: Quads420 (17555 in chips)
    Bobeggy: posts the ante 50
    Man-united41: posts the ante 50
    BobHica_10: posts the ante 50
    FOBOS_URAL: posts the ante 50
    deejayNO1: posts the ante 50
    horob: posts the ante 50
    Quads420: posts the ante 50
    Bobeggy: posts small blind 300
    Man-united41: posts big blind 600
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Bobeggy [7c 7d]
    BobHica_10: folds
    FOBOS_URAL: folds
    deejayNO1: folds
    horob: calls 600
    Quads420: raises 16905 to 17505 and is all-in
    Bobeggy: ??????
  2. deckeriv deckeriv is offline

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    Jan 12th, 2010 (1/12/2010 3:01pm) in reply to bobeggy

    Why would you ever just guess? He could be doing this with 8's. You have no fold equity. Just fold.
  3. jm5under jm5under is offline

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    Jan 12th, 2010 (1/12/2010 3:39pm) in reply to bobeggy

    annoying spot- his range is never balanced here. TT or JJ+ is out of the range, but ur too deep to be getting it in with 77- flipping like all the time here
  4. sct123 sct123 is offline

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    Jan 12th, 2010 (1/12/2010 5:10pm) in reply to jm5under

    ez fold
  5. jaydeez40oz jaydeez40oz is offline

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    Jan 12th, 2010 (1/12/2010 11:11pm) in reply to deckeriv

     
    Originally Posted by deckeriv View Post

    Why would you ever just guess?

    Exact reason why I fold. =)
  6. paulgibbo paulgibbo is offline

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    Jan 13th, 2010 (1/13/2010 2:11am) in reply to bobeggy

    These look like super weak players. limping and then shoving 30BB... who knows what he has - but I will bet there are easier ways to beat these guys than guessing his range and hoping i hold up.

    (for this reason i hated Cada's call of Moon's shove in the WSOP - Moon was 45% to win the hand and probably the WSOP - don't we want better odds against the monkeys than 55%)

    ok people tend not to have monsters when they do this, but i shoved 100BB on the second hand of a tournament for a giggle with KK and got called by 33. and lately some of these big overshoves have been big hands, so people are sort of catching on - i've called a few ridiculously large opens and found AK waiting...

    why guess and calloff chips? I'd guess we are ahead of his range - but we are getting no price....

    and horus has been being exploited - how do you think he'd play QQ if he'd been getting raised when he limps...
     
  7. bobeggy bobeggy is offline

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    Jan 13th, 2010 (1/13/2010 12:04pm) in reply to bobeggy

    Thanks for the advice guys. I folded pretty quickly, but then I just thought hmmm wonder if that is correct. so thanks for the replys!
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  8. robodarko robodarko is offline

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    Jan 13th, 2010 (1/13/2010 1:51pm) in reply to bobeggy

    I agree this is a fold. You'd be calling off most of your stack hoping for a flip when you could be ( and should be ) using your chips to apply pressure on the shorties as the FT bubble looms.

    Like the old saying goes, it's better to be the hammer than the anvil... or is it the nail? I always get my old sayings mixed up
  9. redfan73 redfan73 is offline

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    Jan 18th, 2010 (1/18/2010 10:54am) in reply to bobeggy

    The term "insta-muck" quickly comes to mind.

    You have played for about 2.5 hours and now you are willing to flip 30+ BB's before the final table?

    If you folded, well done. IF you called, I hope you won the flip or weren't up against a bigger pocket pair.
  10. BBerryYumYum BBerryYumYum is offline

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    Jan 19th, 2010 (1/19/2010 10:04am) in reply to redfan73

    Calling with 77 is WAY worse than shoving with it... Fold 100% of the time here imo unless player had been a complete spewtard and even then its pretty much a fold...
  11. AKAPKRAN1 AKAPKRAN1 is offline

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    Jan 19th, 2010 (1/19/2010 1:59pm) in reply to bobeggy

    easy fold, to deep to be getting it in with 77s, you are either way behind in the hand or your flipping coins at best, just fold.
  12. KingBustYou KingBustYou is offline

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    Jan 23rd, 2010 (1/23/2010 11:50am) in reply to BBerryYumYum

    Agree 100%, don't even think about it (anymore :))
  13. rungoodmuch rungoodmuch is offline

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    Jan 23rd, 2010 (1/23/2010 1:29pm) in reply to bobeggy

    I call. I also play for first.
  14. car_t_a car_t_a is offline

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    Jan 24th, 2010 (1/24/2010 10:48am) in reply to rungoodmuch

     
    Originally Posted by rungoodmuch View Post


    I call. I also play for first.

    If you're implying that the people who are advocating folds aren't playing for first you are incorrect.

    This seems like an easy fold to me as you can easily find a better spot to get all the chips in the middle.
  15. bobhica_10 bobhica_10 is offline

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    Jan 25th, 2010 (1/25/2010 12:11pm) in reply to AKAPKRAN1

    I figured i better post since this is the first HH i have seen
    and I was part of it.....i hope I won that one?????????????

    FWIW = I fold
  16. jugiv jugiv is offline

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    Jan 25th, 2010 (1/25/2010 1:42pm) in reply to bobhica_10

    Thats a Fizzzold
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