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pokerstars Game #9205033128: Tournament #46764532, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2007/04/01 - 19:59:23 (ET)

Table '46764532 10' 9-max Seat #5 is the button

Seat 1: pklordvader (4900 in chips)

Seat 2: pliskin444 (7615 in chips)

Seat 3: xxxBEAVISxxx (3055 in chips)

Seat 4: coooq (4900 in chips)

Seat 5: eusdemanyob (5235 in chips)

Seat 6: stfreak (12685 in chips) is sitting out

Seat 7: stoneface63 (13335 in chips)

Seat 8: No_0ffense (4092 in chips)

Seat 9: Pokerwiz50 (12369 in chips)

pklordvader: posts the ante 25

pliskin444: posts the ante 25

xxxBEAVISxxx: posts the ante 25

coooq: posts the ante 25

eusdemanyob: posts the ante 25

stfreak: posts the ante 25

stoneface63: posts the ante 25

No_0ffense: posts the ante 25

Pokerwiz50: posts the ante 25

stfreak: posts small blind 100

stoneface63: posts big blind 200

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to eusdemanyob [8c 8s]

No_0ffense: folds

Pokerwiz50: folds

pklordvader: calls 200

pliskin444: folds

xxxBEAVISxxx: folds

coooq: folds

eusdemanyob: raises 400 to 600

stfreak: folds

stoneface63: folds

pklordvader: calls 400

*** FLOP *** [9c 8d Ah]

pklordvader: checks

eusdemanyob: checks

I thought this was a decent spot to slow play. I had been betting all of my hands prior to this, so checking should look pretty weak. But it is a 4.40 and no one could of noticed.
*** TURN *** [9c 8d Ah] [Jh]

pklordvader: checks

eusdemanyob: bets 1400

uggg what a bad card. I bet the 1400 with the intentions of folding to any re raise. on the river if it didn't pair i would check it down if possible, fold to any big bet unless i realllly felt like he was taking it away, and bet if i fill up
pklordvader: calls 1400

*** RIVER *** [9c 8d Ah Jh] [Tc]

what a river, i am folding to any decent size bet, and checking down.

pklordvader: checks

eusdemanyob: checks

*** SHOW DOWN ***

pklordvader: shows [7h Kh] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
eusdemanyob: mucks hand
pklordvader collected 4525 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4525 | Rake 0 Board [9c 8d Ah Jh Tc]Seat 1: pklordvader showed [7h Kh] and won (4525) with a straight, Seven to Jack

Any thoughts on the hand/my thought process?

[AFink93]

Dont check. Dont slowplay in these. You will get paid off with big hands. Fire Away always.

[lordxixor101]

You say that you have bet out all of your other raises, but you check this one, and it should show weakness. In the $4.40, someone normally bets out, then all of a sudden they don't, that scares me. It is either very weak or (much more normally) you just hit a set.

Now, you bet big on the turn. I bet you he folds, but you make an overbet to the board. Why are you overbetting? You have a set and your overbetting here, after giving the free card? I think you have nothing here. Now, I have 1 over and a gutshot. Maybe my 7 is still good. Now, should he call here, probably not, but you end up in these situations when you call preflop raises badly, you get in these situations. You have nothing, but so does he. So, he doesn't want to fold. If he repopped you there (smelling the weakness that you exuded), he wins since you said yourself that you would fold.

He hit his money card, yet he was still scared. You both check down, and he wins (though, had you bet out, he likely would have crying called you, and made even more money).

What you should do:

1) Act the same. If you always bet out, then bet out here. It's a low board, I get tons of calls in these things on low boards, they always figure you missed too.

2) If you are going to slowplay, you can't overbet the turn. Make a normal turn bet. You know your weak, he figures you have nothing or a whole lot. He has very little, might fold to a normal sized bet here.

I think you both misplayed this hand badly. You played 2 streets correctly (preflop and checking the river). He played 2 correctly (checking the flop to you and then checking the river with the bad side of the straight).

[takeover_inc]

in responce to fink and the idea of just betting out, i disagree with going balls to the walls 100% of the time when you hit a good hand. This idea is valid yes, but you are missing tons of money in the long run. If you always bet your good hands, you will get lots of pots taken away from you when you check, because they know if you hit, you would of bet. You can't be a robot with the betting strong hands, sometimes you have to mix it up.

PLUS any person knows that a vast majorty of the time two random cards miss the flop. If you put in lots of time in the heads up sngs, or cash games, you realise this. most of the time you have air in heads up pots. Checking behind in this spot lets me give the villan a chance to bluff the turn, or hit something that will pay off my hand. It also lets people know that when i check, it isn't a green light to take the pot away.

I have to bet something on the turn to define the villans hand. The turn bet is part feeler bet, part value bet. It lets me know how serious the guy is about his holdings, and there is no way i can just check behind given the board on the turn. In my mind, i have to bet, and get re raised, then i fold, get him to call, then i have more imformation going into the river, or get him to fold some random 3 outer that could hit.

I didn't overbet the turn.