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4-bet shove, FT $42k guaranteed

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  1. cokeaholic cokeaholic is offline

    Trondheim
    Norway

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    Jan 7th, 2010 (1/7/2010 7:35pm)

    Hey guys!

    Long time since I've been active here, but recently renewed my PXF-membership and finally think mtts are fun again.

    Last night I FT'ed the $24+2 $42k guaranteed on Full Tilt and had a massive chip lead only to blow it and go out in 6th.

    The players were mostly bad and passive with a couple exeptions (latam and fummelegk). I had been extremely active stealing a LOT from three tables and in and probably had a loose image with the players paying attention.

    My game plan was at this point to sit tight and let a couple more players bust before applying pressure from my stack. However, I apparently forgot this for this hand. Fummelegk had 3-bet me once already a couple orbits ago, but last time he only made it 150k. After I started chillin he took over as the "table captain", stealing lots preflop.

    Full Tilt Poker Game #17394250801: $42,000 Guarantee (130389047), Table 64 - 15000/30000 Ante 4000 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:40:08 ET - 2010/01/06

    Seat 1: olofsson1 (278,339)

    Seat 2: preciousone69 (317,123)

    Seat 3: martinezhaze (578,080)

    Seat 4: latam (682,114)

    Seat 5: AWolfAtTheDoor (465,070)

    Seat 6: Cokeaholic (1,850,762)

    Seat 7: Southpaw78 (1,201,832)

    Seat 8: fummelekg (1,172,680)

    olofsson1 posts the small blind of 15,000

    preciousone69 posts the big blind of 30,000

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to Cokeaholic [Ac 9d]

    martinezhaze folds

    latam folds

    AWolfAtTheDoor folds

    Cokeaholic raises to 72,799

    Southpaw78 folds

    fummelekg raises to 270,000

    olofsson1 folds

    preciousone69 folds

    Cokeaholic has 15 seconds left to act

    Cokeaholic has requested TIME

    Cokeaholic raises to 1,230,000

    fummelekg calls 898,680, and is all in

    Cokeaholic shows [Ac 9d]

    fummelekg shows [Jd Jh]

    Uncalled bet of 61,320 returned to Cokeaholic

    olofsson1: wow

    *** FLOP *** [Ts 5c 4d]

    *** TURN *** [Ts 5c 4d] [Tc]

    *** RIVER *** [Ts 5c 4d Tc] [3s]

    Cokeaholic shows a pair of Tens

    fummelekg shows two pair, Jacks and Tens

    fummelekg wins the pot (2,414,360) with two pair, Jacks and Tens

    Seat 6: Cokeaholic showed [Ac 9d] and lost with a pair of Tens

    Seat 8: fummelekg (button) showed [Jd Jh] and won (2,414,360) with two pair, Jacks and Tens

    Is this a really dumb spot to be 4-bet shoving? Or was I just unlucky to meet the calling-part of his range?
  2. odstore odstore is offline

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    Jan 7th, 2010 (1/7/2010 7:38pm) in reply to cokeaholic

    His 3bet size literally says "I'm not folding."
  3. surferbum99 surferbum99 is offline

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    Jan 7th, 2010 (1/7/2010 7:43pm) in reply to odstore

    eh i dunno about 4-bet shoving with a9 here. seems like with stack sizes his ~4X raise is super strong. maybe next time try and 4-bet shove some hands that play better against his calling range? dunno this is something i struggle with as well
  4. cokeaholic cokeaholic is offline

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    Jan 7th, 2010 (1/7/2010 7:49pm) in reply to surferbum99

     
    Originally Posted by surferbum99 View Post

    eh i dunno about 4-bet shoving with a9 here. seems like with stack sizes his ~4X raise is super strong. maybe next time try and 4-bet shove some hands that play better against his calling range? dunno this is something i struggle with as well

    I probably misread his raise, didn't really think that it was nearly 4x my open, I just saw that he still had 900k and a solid stack if he folded combined with 3-4 shortstacks at the table waiting to bust.

    As for the hand choice, what kinds of hands would you suggest? I think that Ax hands are better than 78s-JTs because the latter are more often "completely" dominated by TT+ while Ax will have 3 pure outs against the complete calling range (minus AA obv). In addition, holding an ace reduces the chance that villain has AA, AK, AQ which are often 3-bet-call-hands.
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  5. Whatshoulditbe Whatshoulditbe is offline

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    Jan 7th, 2010 (1/7/2010 7:49pm) in reply to cokeaholic

    his 3bet is so big it really looks like he's not folding. If he had 3bet this much last time, i don't mind 4bet shove. he either has the hand or is trying to apply pressure to you since you've been active.
     
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